are y’all really making me do this

I’ve found myself typing this on three separate occasions over the past 48 hours, so I want to make a post to prevent myself from having to do it again:

It is not okay to counter-harass Blaze and her friends. This is an official admonition to leave them alone. If they come here or to Farla’s forum that’s them interacting with us, and you can respond until you get sick of it, but do not go seek them out. Do not go demand explanations, or justifications, or anything. Do not counter-post when they’re talking to unrelated people. Do not put them in a position of having to engage with you.

It does not become okay to engage someone with the express purpose of upsetting them just because they were shitty people first. It also makes it really hard for us to explain we’ve done nothing to them if someone has actually gone and started to bother them. If nothing else, remember that when you do this you’re just making things harder and longer (lol) for me, Farla, and Elmo.

If you’re new here, please review the commenting guidelines before posting here, and engage with our community in good faith. If an alt (or anyone else, really) says something upsetting to you, you can use the report feature or email me directly at [email protected] Do not interact with them unless you can remain patient and polite. The instant you start yelling back, you will end up in trouble as well.

I know things are super weird right now because of all this, a big <3333 to everyone who hasn’t yet run for the hills.

67 Comments

  1. Blaze says:
    I’v already reported Dragon-Quill.
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    1. Act says:

      You realize I’m the sitemaster, and all reports go to me. 

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      1. Blaze says:
        You do know I’m not talking about reports on the website but the website itself.
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        1. Act says:

          Yes, which is why I said ‘sitemaster’ and not ‘moderator.’ I own the domain. Unless you’re claiming to have tracked down the person who owns the servers we’re living on, which would be AMAZING and please send me all correspondence with them.

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            1. Actislazyandwontlogin says:
              Oh well now I completely understand
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            2. Venompaw says:

              My own encounter with Blaze and Istwill is so stupid. (Let’s assume they’re distinct entities for fun even though I’m 99% sure they’re not.)

              Blaze and Istwill both can’t argue coherently despite how many chances I was willing to give them.

              I have the entire exchange saved.

              That Fimfiction post points to my account without any indication of what I’ve done wrong. I gave Blaze as many chances as possible until she stopped replying.

              Blaze, unless if you’re just interested in marketing propaganda, please list why you hate me (in your post on Fimfic to add your credibility if nothing else.)

              The most you can hate me for is unwilling to blindly believe you without sufficient evidence despite trying to prompt you to provide evidence so many times.

              Oh, this website is strange. I think I reported a few comments just out of curiosity what the link did. I expected a pop-up menu.

              Edit, tried it again, why does it change the text to: 

              It seems you already reported this comment.

              when it’s a first-time click.

               

              Hastily created an account just comment. I noticed Blaze is lurking around on this site too.  I suspect I’ll get angry PMs on FFN soon.

              This might be a double post. I pressed post comment once before and nothing happened.

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            3. Act says:

              It’s possible that if you report a comment someone else has already reported you get that message, though I’m not sure. We honestly haven’t had to use it much before all this so I don’t know its quirks just yet.

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            4. Venompaw says:

              Blaze is now talking to me on Discord. Maybe, I should finally stop talking to her.

              I think she wasn’t happy about my post here.

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            5. Yeah, there is really no point in talking to Blaze. I don’t know if she has an actual mental disorder or not, but she genuinely does not appear to be able to keep the topic of conversation straight. When this first started I tried to find out why she thought “Elmo” was a feminine name, and it took me six straight messages of asking the same question before I got an answer. You can’t really get her to focus on anything, she’ll just keep changing the subject.

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            6. Hyatt says:
              Okay, I’m ewww-ing at that one person trying to downplay promoting racial violence by comparing it to a picture of a volcano erupting in the middle of the US. AFAIK, nobody, least of all that commenter, has the power to create a volcano. It’s quite possible, however, for someone to kill another person for being part of a race they hate. That’s why “kill all [insert target group here]” isn’t just a meme, it’s a threat in a way that a volcano destroying a country isn’t.
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            7. guest says:

              That link no longer goes to a valid page and her account looks banned.

              …what in the world did I miss?

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            8. SpoonyViking says:

              Aw, the post was deleted. I’m kind of curious about what was said in it.

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            9. Talarc says:

              You weren’t missing much. 

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            10. Farla says:

              It started off with a post that was just the name of a new person who’d been talking to her with the thread title saying she was sick of trolls, then she noticed we’d mentioned lstwill56 here and switched to telling people to spam abuse reports through email to take the site down.

              And this would appear to not be in line with one or more of Fimfiction’s rules. It’s so weird seeing a site where rules not only exist but get enforced.

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            11. Roc says:
              I read the Post multiples times and I’m still confused about the “foolproof plan”. How does Single Hop solve anything? Isn’t it a personal data management company? Please correct me if I’m wrong.
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            12. JackPK says:
              “Foolproof plan” was sarcastic. Blaze thinks she’s accomplishing something, but she’s not.
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            13. Hyatt says:
              Aww, you didn’t get the Nazi-defending!
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            14. Venompaw says:

              Dragon Blaze is accusing me of being Farla now.

               

               

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            15. Act says:

              Does anyone have full thread screenshots?

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            16. Keleri says:

              DRAGON QUILL WILL FALL.

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      2. Blaze says:
        Also I draw the line at you guys making shot up about my friends 
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        1. Keleri says:

          [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp26Imm6D0k&w=560&h=315%5D

          Everybody, when you’re making shot, make sure to wear proper PPE and recall that lead has immediate toxic effects.

          In seriousness, Blaze, we haven’t had to engage our imaginations at any point during this whole kerfuffle; it’s all what you’ve left us on the page. You could at least start leaving rhyming clues or a treasure map.

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          1. Blaze says:
            And again with the lies.
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        2. Embershine says:

          Are you really complaining on the post telling us all to be nice to you?

           

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  2. The Reeds Of Enki says:
    I’ve been away dealing with mental stuff for a little while, so I’m kind of out of the loop here. Did this get even worse? Is there something I can do to help or is this just the kind of chaos that can’t really be dowsed/suppressed?

    On a similar vein of thought, I’m guessing now isn’t the best time to jump into reviewing again, is it?

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    1. Embershine says:

      I’m pretty sure this is about the OtherPokeauthors Part 110, which just broke 200 comments. Read through for an update

    2. Farla says:

      It actually might be fine – people are getting more and more fed up with the Blazehive’s reviews. After getting a string of reviews and PMs completely ignoring what you actually wrote, hearing anything about the actual fic, even if it’s that you’re wrong, is a lot more appealing.

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    3. Act says:

      Ah I was wondering if everything was okay. Take care, and let us know if you need anything.

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  3. Well, I’m sorry I left at such an inopportune time, all. I actually thought things were dying down when I left. I sometimes have to step aside from all my normal things and make sure my mental situation doesn’t get to spiral too much (I hate hospitals for this sort of thing), but I should have said something other than just leaving you all to wonder where I went, I guess. Sorry about that! If I do ever drop off randomly again, it’s probably for the same reasons.

    @ Alyssa, DLGAdmin comes across as the severely misguided sort. I actually don’t think he is associated with Blaze, just kind of “accidentally” trolling while trying to remain neutral (and failing horribly.) At the most shallow surface level, I can understand how what we’re doing (the reviews) comes across as trolling, but it took me a very short amount of time to figure out that it wasn’t the case when I first got involved, so I’m not sure why others can’t figure it out either unless they’re coming in here with the mindset of proving someone wrong without the willingness to compromise or see valid points from the other side.

    @ Farla, I’ll try to get a few out in the next few days. Sometimes I underestimate the situation at hand, but I’m feeling like a few reviews won’t make anything worse.

    @ Act, I appreciate it, really! Nothing anyone else can do for it, just a few obsessions and compulsions fusing with other stuff making for fun times. I’ve dealt with the worst of it by now.

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    1. Hyatt says:
      After DLGAdmin claimed to have come from Kiwi Farms, I decided he had to fall more on the malicious side than misguided. That site is for harassing people to get a reaction.
      1. JackPK says:
        Noteworthy is the fact that while DLGAdmin claimed to have come from Kiwi Farms, I did a search there and confronted them on the fact that there was no obvious callout from there to here, and they tried to cover their tracks by pulling out years-old dead posts that they’d obviously also found via the search function instead of from normal browsing. That, in my opinion, was the clincher that it was somebody lying about who they were, and who else but Blaze is the obvious candidate for that?
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    2. Farla says:

      Well, I’m sorry I left at such an inopportune time, all. I actually thought things were dying down when I left. 

      Don’t worry about it. Your own sanity has to take priority. And it did die down at various points, plus it’s not like it helped Blaze’s case that she spent her time endlessly railing against your reviews while you weren’t around.

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  4. I forgot how much I missed dear old Istwill. So apparently he’s taking measures to deliberately let me know that he’s countering my review, then that it counts as plagiarism (I assume because I quoted blocks of the original story… QUOTED. Parts of the story) and then immediately after sending it, blocks me again so that I can’t respond.

    1. Venompaw says:

      Istwill (99% chance to be Blaze) foamed at the mouth cause I believe she acted like a Nazi based on third-party sources and evidence.

      She wants an apology and hurled various insults, called me a Nazi for not giving one. She’s kind enough to let me know in a review within seconds of Blaze messaging me on Discord today. 

      The funniest exchange I had with Blaze on Discord:

      Venomheart: I’m not going to entertain another point until you bring me evidence of something Farla can be reported for on FFN.

       

      I’ll even join in on the reporting chorus.
       
      Blaze: I’m not going to do that until you stop believing the “Blaze Alt lie”
       
      Venomheart: ……………………………………………………………………………………………………. Whatever, we’re done.
       
       
      That’s just a small clip of her insanity.

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      1. Roc says:
        Back when Blaze was posting here as Cerrie, I had a conversation with her (You can see it in the comments section of Pokereviews Part 102, I believe) where she pretty much confirmed that she wants Elmo to die – or rather “go to hell” as she put it.

        Again, it’d be one thing if she simply disagrees with what Elmo says. However, I do think it’s really concerning when she wants Elmo to die over something as trivial in the grand scheme of things like fanfiction writing. She claimed she herself wasn’t proud of this, but that doesn’t change the fact that this is not any sort of healthy behaviour.

        1. Roc says:
          Oops. I know you were talking about Farla, but Elmo’s kind of in the same boat as her.
      2. Ghost says:

        There’s a Discord? For this or for something else?

        1. Venompaw says:

          I messaged her on Discord after I was tired of waiting for a reply on FFN. 

          She keeps trying to start new chains of conversation with me after the last one ended. I’m trying to be productive (supporting her or learning new evidence.)

          She continues to surprise me and not in a good way.

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          1. Ghost says:

            Oh dear. Well, hopefully this gets resolved soon.

          2. Hyatt says:
            Have to say, this is making me not want to log into my old FFN account or get a Discord, in case she tries to yell at me through them.
    2. Roc says:
      I read his counter-review. I think he said that because he saw you giving an example of how the author could have improved that part of the story after you talked about the exposition part. Judging by what he said, he probably thinks you’re trying to take over the author’s stories.

      Again, I’m honestly questioning whether the haters know what the words they’re using mean. How does giving an example of how to write the part you quoted count as “plagiarism” if you’re not even posting any stories under your account?

      1. @ Venompaw, I have no idea who is who at this point. I know we were figuring out that a whole slew of accounts could be Blaze in disguise around when I left. I don’t honestly know at this rate what gender they are either, so if someone does have confirmation of what gender Istwill is, I’d appreciate it, because “they” or just the third person Istwill will get annoying real quick if I have to resort to one of those. 

         

         

        @ Roc, I think it helps, sort of, that they are so incompetent. It really doesn’t take a whole lot of rational thought to figure out who the real troll is based on their statements. But yes! I don’t think they actually know what plagiarism is. I thought it was just because I used parts of the original story at all that Istwill’s threatening plagiarism call-outs. 

        Edits: It will get confusing if I use “they” given all the people who are related to the topic, that’s why it’d be irritating. Otherwise it really wouldn’t be a problem. 

        1. Venompaw says:

          I should post my exchanges with Blaze and Istwill somewhere. It’s so stupid.

          I have no qualms of reporting Farla if Blaze ever provides justifiable reasons, but she doesn’t.

           

           

           

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          1. You know, they very well might be the same person. First Istwill accuses me of plagiarizing in a private message, then Dragon’s Blaze and Istwill team up within five minutes of each other to harass a person whose story I just reviewed. Oh, and Istwill continues to be a blessing for shooting me a PM and then immediately blocking me right afterwards. 

            Just as a reminder guys, every story is flawlessly perfect as it is, right away. No need to change, ever, for any reason. What even is improvement? 

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            1. Act says:

              While circumstantially I suspect lstwill is an older sock, it’s one that’s tough to confirm because it predates this whole thing (ie, we can’t look at the account ID) and it’s never posted here (so no IP). That said, I feel pretty sure it’s Blaze, as the Blaze and lstwill accounts tend to alternate posts/PMs in quick succession and basically only post in tandem with each other. My guess is that the lstwill one is from some older harassment campaign and she kept it around for other fics.

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            2. Ghost says:

              Interestingly, Ist and Blaze have started arguing in forums. Ist in particular has started annoying people in the forums Blaze was trying to drag into this fight with his antics. Might just be smoke a mirrors to make people think they are separate accounts, could be that Ist is tired of Blaze. I have no idea

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        2. Farla says:

          so if someone does have confirmation of what gender Istwill is, I’d appreciate it, because “they” or just the third person Istwill will get annoying real quick if I have to resort to one of those. 

          So that’s a complicated question. Either that account or the Dragon’s Blaze one said lswill56 is male and 29 in contrast to Dragon’s Blaze’s female and 22(23?). Given that the one constant throughout this has been pathological lying, I have no idea which, if any of it, is correct. The other socks seem to have identified as both genders.

          To raise further questions, Castaway, who I’m still presuming to be an actual close friend of Blaze’s, is apparently a little kid:

          https://www.fimfiction.net/group/207724/the-insane-creators-guild/thread/363293/my-mom-wants-me-to-mow-the-lawn-and-went-on-to-say-i-can-mow-it-every-week-if-i-do-a-good-job

          So in conclusion, we know nothing about who Blaze actually is. I’m going with “she” just because that’s the pronoun attached to the account I’m talking about as the main one.

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    3. Farla says:

      I suspect the plagiarism thing is just a matter of throwing random threatening words at the wall until something sticks.

  5. Venompaw says:

    Blaze doesn’t fail to disappoint.

     

    I typed this about 30 minutes ago (the topic of the conversation: reporting Dragon Quill.)

    Again, where will you report it, what will you report it for? Link me the relevant rules, and if I think they’re applicable, I’ll join your cause.

    Tell me how to file a report.

    What rules should I quote?

    Where should I send it?

    I’m literally asking for a guide on how to report Dragon Quill and its been thirty minutes without receiving a response. Blaze’s behavior aside, I wanted to see if she had a legitimate case.

    Blaze, I want to SUPPORT YOU, why can’t you make this EASY?

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    1. Act says:

      I’m again going to request that you stop poking her. 

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      1. Venompaw says:

        She messages me to start a new conversation. My mind’s just blown by the incompetence. I don’t actively seek her out.

        I never received your first request to stop poking her (unless if it was this post.)

        I’m new to all this and frankly baffled.

         

         

         

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    2. @ Venompaw, I do have to wonder why you’re looking to support her at all, but Blaze’s insanity is a token of a vitriolic mix of complexes that won’t be understood so easily. That much is obvious, I should think, given how intense her hatred for Farla, St Elmo’s Fire, and I (Istwill seems to hate me more, but if they’re the same person then I guess it’s the same) is. I do actually recommend avoiding their drama whenever possible — even if that just means ignoring them. Plus, they get to be frustrated at a lack of response; they win when people are drawn in. That’s how trolls work in my experience. Granted, I’ve never experienced a troll quite like Blaze before, but still. The same rule applies, I think. 

      All that besides, Farla isn’t doing anything morally wrong or repugnant. She’s trying to help people — I don’t see why that merits you wanting to be on Blaze’s side. If she were to procure some technicality from which Farla or anyone here broke the rules, would you then become an ally for Blaze’s crusade? 

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      1. Ghost says:

        It’s entirely up to Venompaw. If they feel Blaze has a solid enough point, then as long as they provide a decent argument and take into account evidence both sides have they can take her side. As long as they are willing to hear Farla and the others out, it would be nice having someone who can explain what’s actually going on on Blaze’s side of the argument and be able to raise valid points with the evidence both sides have.

        1. Venompaw says:

          If Blaze presents a reasonable argument that I find is sound, I will support it. (Yet to receive one mind you.)

           

          I mean Blaze’s actions hardly paint her in a positive light, but that doesn’t excuse actions of others if proof is provided.

          I truly mean I’m neutral in all this (as such I did post a few sympathetic posts in the WA thread Blaze started.)

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          1. If there were reasonable cause to join Blaze’s cause then I could see why one would join it, yes. It’s that there isn’t reasonable cause that made me a little confused by the comment “Blaze, I want to SUPPORT YOU, why can’t you make this EASY?”

             

            That could have just been to prove a point though, so take all that with a grain of salt. I personally don’t think that anything Farla or St Elmo’s Fire does is bullying. I think that a few of St Elmo’s Fire’s reviews are a little too short and non-explanatory in the cases in which it could be summarized by “try harder,” but in such cases I believe the stories in question were very poor in quality and not very expansive either. 

            I do think that the pokemon fanfiction archive would be worse off without either of them. Anyone willing to give constructive criticism is a boon to a community; what’s being done takes time and effort and a skillset that qualifies one for giving constructive criticism (not the blind leading the blind, in other words). The willingness to give concrit and the qualifications for doing so well is not a common resource. 

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            1. Ghost says:

              Yeah, the community could do with the help. 

              Just wish it wasn’t such a headache to watch happen. People try to help and a people do is whine and complain. I’d review more if I knew what I was doing but grammar’s not my strong point, so it boils down to spelling and vague compliments which don’t really help much. 

              Plus it’s infinitely more amusing watching people kick off about it and Farla and the others shut them down. 

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      2. Talarc says:

        I don’t think that any of us have experienced a troll quite like Blaze before…

        Like you’ve said, the best way to deal with this is to simply engage with her as little as possible. She might continue kicking up a fuss on FFN, but she ultimately can’t stop us from reviewing since our reviews are well within the rules of the site. When she realises that she can’t force any changes, Blaze will either run out of steam or defeat herself by trying to force her views on the rest of the community in search of support. There’s little for us to gain by continuing to interact with her. 

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    3. Stistoolazytologin says:
      So Venomheart, talking to Blaze seems like a waste of time. Especially if you have your own greivances against us, I’d request you write some reviews of your own. People will be less intimidated if there are more perspectives out there and they can see one person isn’t the be-all-end-all of reviewing.
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      1. Venompaw says:

        Pokemon isn’t my main fandom so I’ll pass. I don’t have any issues with what you, Farla, Enki are doing. All of you are providing a valuable service. It’s not perfect but what is.

         

         

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  6. I figured I’m gonna read this strange post and its comments to understand what is going on and then I started to read and then what the fuck am I reading!?? and I went cross eyed around 20th or so comment.

    So that’s my story of the day.

    1. Act says:

      Welcome to the last two weeks of my life.

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