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This counts as fanfic, right?

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  1. “She knows I hate it but does it anyway for personal convenience, but it’s okay because she’s a good person and I trust her, really, even in the face of seeing how horribly it can go wrong and how no trainers seem to have an issue with this.”

    It is pretty amazing how the fandom is able to recreate textbook Stockholm syndrome with no trace of irony.




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    1. Act says:

      That’s a… really uncharitable reading of this, the central thesis of which seems to be, “This mechanic canon takes for granted can easily go horribly, horribly wrong + missingno creepasta for flavor.” I don’t really think you’re supposed to come away thinking how wonderful it is pokemon are trapped with no ability to escape.

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      1. I get that that was the intent, but I mean, it opens with the pokemon saying they hate pokeballs, then goes on to say the trainer knows this but does it anyway. The specific example given is a necessary safety precaution, yes, but the pokemon’s justification isn’t, “she only does it when it’s necessary”, it’s “it’s okay because I trust she’ll always let me out”, even though even a short time in the pokeball seems unpleasant. That really speaks to a horrifying inequality here.




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        1. Act says:

          >That really speaks to a horrifying inequality here.

          That seems like the point, though? I don’t think it was done without thinking about that. The emphasis at the beginning on how suffocating the ball is and how trapped he feels before he goes into this “lady doth protest too much” hypersaccharine justification of her actions before literally dying because of them just doesn’t lend itself to any other interpretation.

          It seems super obvious to me that it’s part creepypasta, part “here’s canon taken to its horrifying logical conclusion.” It’s not supposed to be fixfic.




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          1. Roarke says:

            Honestly, I’m just glad I’m not young enough to stumble across this kind of thing and get traumatized by it anymore. Can you imagine growing up with this much access to internet horror?




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          2. illhousen says:

            I’m rather ambivalent about it. On the one hand, yes, it’s possible to see the moral as “even if you have the best intentions and actually care about pokemon, pokeballs are still inherently fucked up and can go horribly wrong.”

            On the other, it’s also possible to interpret this piece as being intended to portray a senseless tragedy where nobody’s truly to blame, and the thing about the trainer having practical reasons for using pokeballs as apologia stuff.

            Mostly depends on how cynical you are, I guess, and how disillusioned you are with the fandom.

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            1. Act says:

              >how disillusioned you are with the fandom.

              I was thinking this last night, actually, that I’ve been absent from the fandom for a little while Mini-Farla is in the middle of a review spree, so our willingness to give benefit of the doubt is probs the polar opposite.




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              1. I would attribute it more to sharing a house with Farla my entire life. She talks about Pokemon a loooot and you know her opinion of these things is, shall we say, uncharitable.




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            2. illhousen says:

              Probably a reason, yes. Certainly, I try to stay away from Nasuverse fandom and don’t read comments to fics because all of the wankery makes me undable to appreciate even the good stuff.

              Did you know that Death Star would be unable to kill Berserker because its attack beam is not ranked A according to Nasuverse rules? I mean, it actually would kill Berserker by virtue of destroying the Grail and killing his Master, but it wouldn’t kill him directly. That’s apparently an important fact to establish and argue over.




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            3. Roarke says:

              Did you know that Death Star would be unable to kill Berserker because its attack beam is not ranked A according to Nasuverse rules?

              Uh, what? The Death Star explicitly destroys planets, making it at least as strong as Ea, the anti-world NP. It would easily take all of Berserker’s lives off with one shot,┬áplus the planet he’s standing on for good measure.




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            4. illhousen says:

              But it’s not ranked A. As a non-magic weapon, it has no rank and defaults to, like, E- or something.

              I know it’s stupid. Even people arguing the point agree that it’s moot on account of the Grail and Berserker’s Master being obliterated, so he would disappear soon enough one way or another.

              It is, however, a good example of stuff that concerns the fandom and why I’m not a part of it despite being a fan of Nasu.




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            5. Act says:

              This is the only reason I’ve ever needed to not touch this fandom with a ten-foot pole.




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            6. illhousen says:

              Ah yes, Saber. Briefly, I forgot about her and… stuff the fandom and Takeuchi attached to her. That was a blissful moment.




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            7. Roarke says:

              I mean I’d still argue further, but if we’re just using it as an example of fan idiocy, then I see your point. I really don’t like Nasu’s fandom either.




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            8. Farla says:

              …doesn’t Hercules need to breathe? How much damage the Death Star does directly seems academic. 




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            9. Roarke says:

              Ignoring whether or not he needs to breathe, he’s a spiritual body anchored to Gaia through the medium of his Master/the Grail. It’s not like he’ll float among the detritus of the world until his mana runs out; he’ll instantly disappear with the world and go back to the Throne of Heroes regardless of whether or not he could tank the hit.




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            10. illhousen says:

              Technically, no. He’s a spirit capable of dematerializing and hanging inside a wall if he must. It’s still purely academic because he needs mana, and all available sources would be gone, so he’d just go poof.

              one way or another, the point is moot, but try to explain it to the fandom.

              It is a pretty good example of a plague symptomatic of Nasuverse fandom specifically, however: losing the sight of narrative weight behind numbers and ranks that were meaningless to begin with (I mean, Shirou defeated Gil, Agent Smith beat up Saber, Rin punched Caster… All of this should be impossible if you go by numbers alone. It’s clear Nasu himself gives no fucks about power tiers, they’re here to look shiny mostly).

              If you’re curious, check out this Nasuverse TRPG: http://heavens-feel.com/fate_nasuverse_rpg.html

              Pretty much sums up my issues with this part of the fandom.




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            11. Spoony Viking says:
              The original VN talks about that. :-) Rin talks about how Herakles would survive even an attack that could destroy the world as long as it didn’t have enough mystery behind it (or something similar).



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            12. Roarke says:

              Other areas to avoid: the Shirou hatedom, Saber fandom, the eternal shipping war, Saber.




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            13. illhousen says:

              You forgot Saber. I mean, there’s more than one.




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            14. Roarke says:

              All of those other Sabers are just minor aspects, or avatars, of the True Saber, the one in Takeuchi’s heart.




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            15. This was a completely gratuitous and unneeded FSN tangent (stating as the resident gratuitous and unneeded FSN fanboi). While I’ve never poked any mons and am immune to this particular post, random mushroomchat popping up absolutely everywhere is getting silly on this blog here. The point where this stuff needs to get contained is approaching.

               

              I’m also posting this to see what’s going on with nesting. Which eats the edit button when down a few steps but it reappears upon refresh. It’s also not getting tinier and tinier, which is disappointing.




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              1. Act says:

                >The point where this stuff needs to get contained is approaching.

                This is something that legit doesn’t bother me at all but if enough people *are* annoyed by it I can make an announcement. There is now a Nasuverse discussion post.




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              2. It is bothering me. I might actually miss some mushroom chat at some point because of it.




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    2. SpoonyViking says:

      The trainer seems to do it for the pokémon’s sake, though: “It’s going to be dangerous, so please, stay inside”, and “I’ll let you out as soon as we cross the volcano, ok?”.




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      1. illhousen says:

        I’d say it depends on the context of why she’s going over a volcano in the first place. It’s one thing if she’s on a quest to save the world and it’s either making her pokemon uncomfortable for a time or letting everyone everywhere die. It’s quite another if she just really wants to catch a rare pokemon. The latter doesn’t justify inflicting suffering on a creature depending on you.

        Then there is the usual issue of communication. The pokeon seems to be fully sapient here, capable of complex thoughts, self-recognition, existential dread and other fun stuff, and yet it looks like the trainer is the one calling the shots instead of their relationship being that of partners.

        All in all, I would say that a charitable interpretation is possible as it’s vague enough, but some of the stuff here is symptomatic of the fandom and can indicate a less charitable interpretation.




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