St. Elmo's Fire

  • A few stories with pokemon whisperers that do not seem to be going anywhere good.

    Anime count: 7

    Hi! I’m doing a round of reviews around the site, hoping to help give people constructive criticism instead o […]

    • Line breaks don’t show up on the mobile app, I’m afraid. They’d be better off using ellipse for line breaks

      • The mobile app lacks line breaks? 

        • Yep. No button that can put them in and if you do it through the browser it won’t show in the story. I’ve had to switch between ellipses and minus symbols because if you spam them to make a line break the app just wipes them away. It’s annoying to deal with.

  • Nice responses today.

    re: Your review to The First Day In Alola
    31 MayMoonlightButterfree
    A response to your review at https://www.fanfiction.net/r/12952037/

    Thank you for your review. I will keep your […]

  • One really great story featuring real-world mythology and an extremely well-written pokemon POV, and otherwise nothing of note.

    Anime count: 11

    Try harder.

    Hi! I’m doing a round of reviews around the s […]

    • guidance is really good! I’d definitely recommend that one to anybody who enjoys Pokémon POV stories or OC journeyfics.

  • So Venomheart, talking to Blaze seems like a waste of time. Especially if you have your own greivances against us, I’d request you write some reviews of your own. People will be less intimidated if there are more perspectives out there and they can see one person isn’t the be-all-end-all of reviewing.

  • Yeah, there is really no point in talking to Blaze. I don’t know if she has an actual mental disorder or not, but she genuinely does not appear to be able to keep the topic of conversation straight. When this first started I tried to find out why she thought “Elmo” was a feminine name, and it took me six straight messages of asking the same…[Read more]

  • Not one but two unreviewed passerby show up to give me their unsolicited opinions on why unsolicited opinions are evil.

    hey what’s up don’t mind me im just here to complain like everyone else, im sure you get […]

    • Ghost replied 1 week ago

      …Pretty sure guy number 2 was just a troll. It’s pretty wildly known that thei are adults in the Pokémon fanbase, they make a point to interview adults when they do the anniversaries and stuff.

      • It seems more likely to me that they’re a person from Tumblr who genuinely believes that. “Think of the children, no-one in fandom should be over 18! If you’re over 18, no one wants you here, so you should leave and get back to doing adult things instead of being creepy in a children’s hobby” is a very pervasive mindset there.

        • Keleri replied 1 week ago

          It’s fun how the goalposts are walked back depending on the age of the poster, too.

          “Wow those 18-year-olds in fandom are so gross!!!”

          (2 years later)

          “Wow those 25-year-olds in fandom are so gross!!!”

          • Farla replied 1 week ago

            I’ve seen twentyfour-year-olds throwing fits about those disgusting twentyfive-year-olds who should get out of fandom and leave kids like them alone!!!

            It’s like they don’t understand that the concept of time applies to them.

            • Act replied 1 week ago

              To be fair I’m pretty sure everyone from ages 14 – 22 believes that.

              • Heatth replied 1 week ago

                I don’t know. I remember at that age I loved to know there were older people in my fandom. “See dad? [insert anime here] is not a kid show! Look at how many adults are there!”.

            • Me, age 19, discovering Tumblr fandom culture for the first time: Wow, these gross 22 year olds need to get out of fandom and stop being so creepy about a subpar television show.

              Me, age 22, right before leaving Tumblr for the first time:  Wow, these gross 22 year olds need to get out of fandom and stop being so creepy about a subpar television show.

              Me, age 25, after coming back to Tumblr: Wow, these gross 22 year olds need to get out of fandom and stop being so creepy about a subpar television show.

              Fandom: Not even once.

        • Farla replied 1 week ago

          Interestingly, Blaze tried to do this while at the same time trying to pull rank by supposedly being totally an adult – Dragon’s Blaze specifically claimed to be early twenties (22 or 23, can’t remember, and that she had a job and her own place) while the lstwill56 claimed to be twentynine, which is why everything they say about fandom is adult truth that can’t be contradicted, but I and St Elmo’s Fire need to get out of fandom because it’s for twelve year olds only.

        • Person 2 really grinds my gears.

          [sure whatever i get that stuff about wanting to ~improve the quality of people’s fic, extremely noble and amazing goal no one asked u to do and everyone should congratulate u for etc]

          [under the guise of Helping]

          [why are you predicting this on the assumption that people are asking you to review every single story in the archive like it’s something you’re obligated to do]

          [dude just admit you just wanna say what u want online without any repercussions & don’t care for the consequences instead of going thru weird mental gymnastics to justify it]

          It’s like they don’t realize that people want things for the reasons they stated for wanting them, nooo, it’s all secretly a bid for getting worshipping because that’s really actually what you want and the only thing that’s good for people is what they expect. Mostly this is a totally out of left field interpretation of St. Elmo’s Fire for me, so, eh. Author, if you do show up, please clarify. 

          [don’t you think it’s kind of… weird to go out of your way to interact w stories sometimes obviously written by people over ten years younger than you and give unsolicited comments under the guise of ~concrit? like, even just a little weird?]

          [you’re doing sounds extremely suspect]

          This is so loaded. They what they mean by weird, and is talking around the bush rather than just fucking say that they think you’re a pedo or something. I can’t really figure it out but I think that’s because the person didn’t figure it out either, and is just repeating stuff that tripped their unusual-meters (can’t touch it with a ten foot polethat stuff needs to be BURNED) without thinking about why, and if it really is worth whatever they’re thinking of. There are so, so many reasons why that is horrible. 

          [yet no one’s taken a step back to examine how goddamn freaky it is for an adult to hang around the tag of a kid’s series, where a lot of the writers are kids or teens or otherwise inexperienced, and constantly give comments no one asked for under the guise of Helping]

          In summary, why is this freaky?

          [i sure do wonder why you’d even associate w someone who seems to write nothing but animal abuse and human x animal. for a kid’s show.]

          [who made an entire forum topic dedicated for people who disagree with them]

          I HATE THIS SO MUCH. jesus. It’s like the person skimmed the summaries for everything Farla wrote and went, ew they wrote about things that I think are gross so what they wrote must be gross!! Like, they didn’t read it, it’s not animal abuse at all, it’s dehumanization and person abuse, and the moemon stuff is obviously obvious. And I don’t really care to pick apart how someone might think that having organization for the things people disagree with you about is a bad thing. 

          It makes me think this person is someone who hears, well they’re captured in balls and they making woof and bark sounds and they make smily faces so obviously they’re meant to be slaves pit fighters our willing and happy friends. Because they’re not literally in a pit, see? Taking keywords and concepts and instead of putting them together, they use that to identify stuff. It’s for a kids show so obviously it is happy and everything that occurs in it is good, because you go off the assumption that it’s great and twist everything else into saying how great it is, instead of the other way around. It’s everywhere and it’s so fucking annoying, and it’s not just pokemon.

          The other reason this bothers me a lot is because they’re criticizing the rights of stuff they don’t like to exist. Like, only icky people would write icky stuff like this. Don’t they see the problem with this? People have real stories of bad things that happened to them or dreams that don’t fit the mold and people don’t want to hear and instead decide to ignore its existence or associate the bad with the person themself, and where the line is the most fragile and important no one will dare to cross.

          Personally, Farla’s Another Verse was and has been really important to me. The parts of it that affected me the most are the ones this author hates existing the most, that is, seeing things for how they are instead of the constant everything-is-okay that changes reality and mentality till they fit it, organizing ideas and beliefs and how they’re put together rather than OH GOD OH GOD you’re all archetypes.

          [it’s astounding how ive seen ppl criticize u for your tone or accuracy or niceness or whatever yet no one’s taken a step back to examine how goddamn freaky it is for an adult to hang around the tag of a kid’s series]

          It’s nice that they’re noticing deeper problems, and they’re going against the crowd, just the whole reasoning behind that is so twisted and yet so common.

          [someone doesn’t like that then they’re whiny and just need to stay in their lane n be quie]

          READING COMPREHENSION IS IMPORTANT, YOU SERIOUSLY JUST TOLD ST. ELMO’S FIRE TO STAY IN HIS LANE.

          [me oppressing weird adults & have to resort to “Why Aren’t YOU Doing This Act of Public Service Then”]

          Huh, maybe it really just is ‘weird that is setting off alarm bells yet I can’t explain why’ and STRANGER DANGER adds up to gatekeeping yay! Don’t bully people, asshole. 

          [the completely straightforward analogy you made comparing internet strangers disliking you to women who were literally burned to death over false charges, as in, explaining how the two are remotely comparable at all]

          I guess witch hunting is on the banned phrase list now. I mean, I’m actually okay with being leery about it because of the historical connotations, but it should be pretty common for people saying that to mean “a campaign directed against a person or group holding unorthodox or unpopular view” and not having anything to do about women at all. 

          I’m also kind of confused because nowhere in this post does St. Elmo’s Fire mention witch hunting. Maybe they’ve been following along some review or response posts?

          [You’re not a victim nor are you being oppressed because some strangers don’t like you or because they respond to your comments which they did not ask for on unprofessional, non-commercial stories which they were not paid to write]

          Well, there’s one point they definitely missed. I explained it well enough above, hopefully. 

          [someone’s life has been ruined because of them]

          Sigh, I suppose this is everyone’s argument in the end. I guess, it’s cool that there’s a united place to cut the rope of insanity. Copypastas ftw!

          • I can’t really figure it out but I think that’s because the person didn’t figure it out either, and is just repeating stuff that tripped their unusual-meters (can’t touch it with a ten foot pole, that stuff needs to be BURNED) without thinking about why, and if it really is worth whatever they’re thinking of. There are so, so many reasons why that is horrible.

            I think we may be at the point where the newer people don’t understand the subtext that was justifying this. They just know everyone else they see is recoiling from weird things so weird things are bad and have to go away.

            It’s like the person skimmed the summaries for everything Farla wrote and went, ew they wrote about things that I think are gross so what they wrote must be gross!!

            To see if it was impure would mean seeing impureness and being tainted. They really do not read past the summaries and we’re now dealing with a culture of people who think verifying anything is in itself a sinful act. I had a PM from someone demanding I justify how I could think real life incest was okay on the basis I wrote a story about how Asriel/Chara would be super fucked up that mentioned the pairing in the summary.

            I kind of wish I had paid more attention to how things slowly shifted from “Farla is awful because she writes about animal abuse which means she doesn’t care about people” to “Farla is awful because she writes about animal abuse which means she tortures animals”. When it started popping up I dismissed it under the umbrella of people just being mad about something petty (reviews/capitalization/etc), asking for reasons that’d sound more legitimate to complain about, and the resulting game of telephone confusing things.

            Taking keywords and concepts and instead of putting them together, they use that to identify stuff. It’s for a kids show so obviously it is happy and everything that occurs in it is good, because you go off the assumption that it’s great and twist everything else into saying how great it is, instead of the other way around. It’s everywhere and it’s so fucking annoying, and it’s not just pokemon.
            The other reason this bothers me a lot is because they’re criticizing the rights of stuff they don’t like to exist. Like, only icky people would write icky stuff like this. Don’t they see the problem with this?

            This particular person probably doesn’t, but for the broader movement, it’s a feature.

            If certain things aren’t allowed, and even just thinking about them is exactly as horrible a thing to do, then you’re at the mercy of whoever gives the orders. You can’t actually read what something says let alone have opinions about it, because the sin might get on you and once you’re tainted it never comes off. And conversely, if someone is certified as pure, they’re completely safe and to question or think about that is also a bad thought that makes you a bad person. Also, if someone you listen to turns out to be a bad person, that would make you exactly as bad, so anything bad said about them has to be a lie.

            (People have pointed out it’s probably not a coincidence that this new generation was raised on purity rings and abstinence-only education.)

    • Keleri replied 1 week ago

      Them: Why don’t you just stop!!!
      Elmo: A compelling argument. Would you like to review instead?
      Them: No
      Elmo: Understandable, have a nice day.

  • Actual Nazi, not grammar Nazi. He’s since changed it, but when he was initially posting his avatar contained a meme about killing [slur]s.

  • So I know I said I wouldn’t do a rewrite for this, but darn it I wanna do one anyway.

    The biggest problem I see here is that the story doesn’t seem to know what it wants to be. We start with the Princess being hounded by cultists, but then they prove to be incompetent fops who politely stay in the background until the ending, so there’s little…[Read more]

  • So I’m gonna make a Blaze Masterpost here just so I can link back to it instead of hunting stuff down every time.

    I reviewed Dragon’s Blaze’s story “United Destiny” during NaRe 2018. She responded two months later to take umbrage with the Arceus-as-God bit, and I told her to take it to the thread.

    Here are her posts in the religion thread.…[Read more]

  • It doesn’t look like she is attacking people personally.

    She repeatedly leaves reviews that are nothing but slander against me and everyone even tangentially related to me.

    We’re done here. We have been far more tolerant than you deserve, but it ends now. You do not get to use this space as a platform to insult and gaslight people.

  • Some dialogue wankery! It’s been a long time since we’ve seen that. The other respondents were polite, however.

    your review
    28 MayTyrantTympole
    Thank you for the constructive criticism!! You are one of the […]

    • “I have so many books, I have the best books, everyone says the dialogue is great in all my books.”

    • To be fair, the book in question is Necronomicon. It cannot be shown lest it would drive you mad.

    • [Why are you so set on making the grammar in Pokemom fanfiction exactly the way you want it?]

      If you saw someone spell liek ths in theyre strory, would you correct them? Grammar can be objectively judged to be right or wrong. The basics of grammar here don’t really have anything to do with how creative or expressive a writer is. But it’s much harder to tell how good a story is if grammar gets in the way of the readability of a story, just how spelling gets in the way of understanding a sentence. St. Elmo’s Fire quote from the post:

      [Its purpose is to enable clear and consistent communication. Inconsistent dialogue formatting does make writing confusing and unclear. Forcing your readers to constantly puzzle out what you were trying to say in a given sentence is extremely inconsiderate.]

      [Perhaps so, because that one person you had the debate with has now completely deleted the content on their profile.]

      [It’s not, it’s just spreading bitterness and hate among everyone.]

      But is this bitterness and hate? As you can see from how I was talking about grammar as an objective problem, I saw St. Elmo’s Fire read something that he saw problems with, and stated those problems. If you were someone upset enough to delete your story or profile, then why did you do it? Was it because you didn’t like seeing errors on it, or that there was someone saying there were errors, or that a story with criticism reflects badly on you, or something else or some extension of these? If you aren’t sure, or weren’t the person that deleted their story, then you should ask that person why they did without making assumptions about one reason or another. (It really isn’t obvious to me.) 

      I’m conflating deleting a story and deleting a profile as the same thing (deleting stuff you wrote after someone criticized it); please tell me if they mean different things (and how). 

      And hm. Whether an author changes their story or not is entirely their own choice. If someone comes by and says ‘I don’t like x, y, and z about your story’, there’s nothing saying that they have to listen to that person (they can block them straight off), or spend time arguing why their position is right with them. Authors don’t need to prove anything to reviewers: it’s their story, after all. Of course they can choose to, and they can argue for their position, but it’s not like other or existing readers will shake their head and shun their story just because one person didn’t like it. If they like it, they have things they liked about it, and those things haven’t changed. (Granted this kind of sucks since stories don’t get reviewed often now, but even if you only see St. Elmo’s Fire’s review and go 100% negative review rate in your head, it’s important to keep in mind that he’s only one person, and if you were trying to write something people would like, you liked it, and other people that like the same thing you do too.) I don’t know why said author deleted their stuff, so this was a scattershot approach for a bunch of reasons why. Hopefully some of them will be relevant?

    • If people don’t want to receive criticism and improve on their art, why are they even using a public medium to publish their art? If all they want is to “express themselves” or something they don’t need to post their fics, they can just keep it for themselves and maybe send it to a few acquaintances and friends.

  • Evidence that we… expressed an opinion, which according to you is a God-given right when Blaze is doing it.

    If you really care about this, why aren’t you taking your own advice, reporting us to the admins, and washing your hands of this?

  • send all of it to the FanFiction.Net admins to look over and draw their own conclusions from

    Okay, sure. We’ll find some way to have our descendents get back to yours.

  • Where did I ever say that your book reviews were evil?

    http://www.dragon-quill.net/the-other-pokeauthors-part-110/#comment-72741

    Gaslight us again and I will ban you.

  • Assuming someone has a sock account and someone making a sock account actively using that sock account are two very different things.

    That’s very true, accusations against someone does not prove they did the thing. Boy, it sure would look bad if you said this while making that exact mistake.

  • Here’s the comment confirming “Cerrie” as Blaze, and here’s the comment confirming she uses sockpuppets. We should probably mark this down somewhere.

  • You were also saying our book reviews were evil. I’m not sure why you think we’ll be fooled by blatantly lying when your previous comment is right there, does this work on other people?

  • …Oh my god, you seriously didn’t read any reviews before telling us our reviews were garbage. Wow. That sure sounds like bullying, O protector of the innocent.

  • So you haven’t even read the reviews. What a shame.

  • If all you can muster is a milquetoast “some people like it”, it’s painfully obvious you’re just saying it to be contrary. Give us some actual detailed opinions, if nothing else it’ll be more interesting than this inane discussion.

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