Umineko – Turn of the Golden Witch – 10/5, 6:00 PM to 11:59 PM

Last time, Rosa is fucking insane.

Over with the servants and George, Shannon is telling George what actually happened with not!Kanon and the deaths. George is like, well, I see why you didn’t attempt to explain this to Rosa.

George asks why Shannon thought to get spiderwebs, and she says Kuma apparently told her an old wives’ tale once about how evil spirits hate spiders, and she thought it was worth giving a shot.

“…I”m sure… that the torii shrine was suppressing the power of those evil spirits… And because the spirit mirror was broken, that power came back… …that power must have been what allowed Beatrice-sama to revive… If I, weak-hearted as I am… hadn’t done such an outrageous thing…”

Oh, did she also tell George the truth about Bea and the love charm?

Apparently she told George about smashing the mirror, and he just assumed she was a supersitious person and told her not to worry about it. But now Shannon clarifies that she was serious, and she really believes in Bea.

George asks Genji if he thinks Bea is real. “I have no opinion.” Sounds about right.

You know, Genji feels super suspicious to me this route. Partially because of his weird devotion to Kinzo, but also because of all the furniture, he’s the one we’ve seen the least personality from.

Gohda says he never believed before, but now…

Everyone falls silent, but poor Shannon just sobs, thinking this is all her fault. George asks what happened to the mirror. Oh shit, is he going to try to restore the mirror? That would make me like him much more, actually.

Well, I’ll bet picking it up and taping it together won’t make it effective again. Hahahahaha.

God dammit, George, give me that cookie back. I almost let you eat it last post and now I’m glad I didn’t.

The servants didn’t blame Shannon, but it seemed that they believed that had been the beginning. But even now, there was no way George could believe that far. Even if he was told a story about witches and evil spirits, it just sounded fake to him. Even so, he listened seriously to Shannon’s story, trying find a hint that might relieve at least a little of the pain in her heart.

Then Gohda says, you know, supposedly Natsuhi kept a spirit mirror as a good-luck charm. OH. Checkhov approves!

George is like, so, if we found that mirror… could we resist Bea’s magic?

I’ve heard that Aunt Natsuhi’s family is descended from Shinto priests

Interesting.

George says, let’s do it. Let’s go get Natsuhi’s mirror.

But Natshui’s room is locked. George says Natsuhi should still have the key to it in her pocket. Gohda points out the chapel is also locked, but George is like, I think we’ve reached the point where we can start smashing windows. Alright, George, you can eat the cookie now. Don’t make me regret this.

Genji says he has to stay behind in case Rosa or Kinzo call on him, but Shannon and Gohda are all revved up. Genji is so suspicious rn.

George says, you know, it’s dangerous to be alone. And Genjo just says, I’ve lived a long time, so I’m willing to leave it up to the roulette.

As Genji sits alone on the floor of the kitchen, he pulls something from the floor into his palm. Then… a flash of gold. A butterfly crawls out of a pot and makes to follow the trio down the hall.

There’s a flash.

It happened in an instant. The gold butterfly, elegantly flapping its wings, was pinned against the wall by the knife Genji had thrown, like a butterfly in a bug collection. After the gold butterfly beat its wings several times, looking like it was in pain, it accepted the fact that it couldn’t break free, became fine gold powder and smoke, and disappeared as though it had melted into water…

Well, Genji is at least working against Bea on some level.

Over with Battler, Maria, and Lady Shoot First Ask Later, Bat and Maria try to solve the epitaph, but Bat doubts they’ll be able to come up with anything. Bat asks Maria if she really believes solving the riddle will stop the murders. Why wouldn’t Bea just keep killing for shits and giggles? But Maria says that in magic, huge risks mean huge rewards, and if she were to renege on the promise it would eliminate the risk for her and make the ritual meaningless.

Bat muses on how antithetical this all is to his game-theory thinking, because in chess you theoretically always want to make the best move no matter what, minimizing risk. Here, the goal is to maximize risk and give you opponent a chance to win.

With that in mind, he realizes what they should have done from the start was worked together to solve the riddle, but greed and paranoia sidetracked them. Second verse, same as the first, eh?

Bat looks over at Rosa. He realizes she’s just been projecting herself and her own mistrust all over everyone else, making it impossible to cooperate. He realizes that a lot of Rosa’s abusive behavior was probably learned from seeing her family abuse each other, and so she assumes everyone else is equally as volatile. He finds that pitiful.

Then he thinks about Maria, and how she could be projecting, too. Because she takes keeping promises so seriously, she probably can’t imagine that other people, including Bea, would break theirs. So just because she believes Bea’s promises doesn’t mean Bat should.

Meta!Bea pops up to say I keep my promises. She seems… sad.

“I won’t deny that I am brutal and unjust and a monster. However, I am a witch. I use magic. In order to use magic, there are some rules that must be followed. Because I am a witch, I cannot neglect those. You should believe at least that much.”

 “…Even after everything’s gotten so crazy, you’re still telling me to believe only those rules?”

 “…I do play tricks. Of course, I also deceive people. That’s no different from humans. But not once have I disregarded something that I have said as a promise. What about humans? Do you always keep your promises?”

 “…Since we have catch phrases like ‘Keep your promises’, it’s doubtful that we always follow them properly.”

“From my perspective, humans are much more selfish monsters. There’s nothing as doubtful as a human’s promise. Even I sometimes make contracts with humans, but it’s hard to imagine how strict an agreement must be made just to grant a single foolish wish. …If there’s even a small loophole, they’ll immediately say something like ‘Increase the number of wishes to one hundred’, or ‘try changing into a tiny speck’.”

“…Dad often tells me something. He says that there’s nothing as scary as contracts. He said it’s only natural that people who agree without reading them thoroughly will be chewed to the bone. He made a killing through vice.”

“…Realize this. When people are born, they don’t know of fraud. …They suffer it somewhere. And so it is learned.”

Poor Bea.

Over with Ocean’s 3 Rejects, they break into the chapel and retrieve the key. George and Gohda make Shannon do it because they’re too chicken.

And… butterflies, shit. They appear behind Shannon, and Gohda screams for her to run. They run for the door, but in their panic, can’t get it open. The butterflies just keep swarming, and Gohda tries to hold them off while the other two work on the door. In the midst of the swarm, he sees… Beatrice.

They finally get the door, and as they flee, George also sees Beatrice. They fly through the grounds, into the mansion, into Natsuhi’s room, and start tearing through her things trying to find the mirror.

Gohda realizes they didn’t close the door to the room, and as he goes to lock it, sees goat-furniture marching down the hall toward them. He slams the door and tries to lock it, but it won’t lock. All Gohda can do is press his weight against the door and tell George and Shannon to hurry.

Gohda just screams, and as he does… one of the stakes phases through the door.

And it stabs Gohda.

Bea breaks in, taunting Shannon. As she approaches them, George finds the mirror. But the butterflies swarm.

At that time, it seemed like, for just an instant, a bright red flash lit up the room… That red flash seemed to wipe out the gold butterflies that were raging around the room, as though drawing a circle with Shannon at the center… Therefore, it was a very divine scene. Almost as though a single streak of light cut through the clouds in the ceiling, in this world of gold…

It’s Shannon’s power, being used as a shield. THE POWER OF LOVE

Bea taunts Shannon more, summoning not!Kanon to harass her. George just stares. not!Kanon attacks, but can’t get past Shannon’s force field. Nice. I like the idea that Shannon is stronger than Kanon, though admittedly this is not!Kanon.

Bea keeps calling Shannon furniture but all Shannon says is that Bea is truly pitiful, trying to humiliate her in front of George as if she has any concept of a loving relationship. Bea starts to get desperate, shouting FUNITURE, but Shannon keeps her nose up and says it’s just getting sad.

“Yeah, that’s enough talk out of you, you furniture furniture furniture, who the hell do you think you are, talking like that, no matter how beautiful you try to make love sound, in the end it’s fraud because love is filthy filth […] I’ll turn you into a filthy maggot, then we’ll see whether that glasses guy still loves you, I’ll show you that this guy’s only had his eyes on your flesh, die you piece of crap, don’t you tell me about looooove!!”

Oh, Bea. D:

(Also, not to spoil the mood, but that Bea repeatedly just calls George ‘glasses guy’ is amazing.)

She throws everything she has at Shannon, and slowly Shannon’s shield wears down. Just as George goes to tell Shannon he loves her… red, everywhere.

The clock moves to 9:00 PM.

Genji does his nightly rounds through the mansion, checking the doors and windows. We see him go outside and notice something bad, then we jump over to a soft knock on Rosa and co’s door. Rosa immediately starts yelling and preparing to shoot, because of course she does.

Anyway, Genji has found Nanjo and Kuma’s bodies.

Genji leads the three others out into the courtyard to see the bodies. In Nanjo’s knee and Kuma’s ankle are the stakes, making them the seventh and eigth twilights.

Maria astutely points out this is seven and eight, and Bat realizes that means George, Shannon, and Gohda are gone.

Bat asks Genji where everyone else is, and Genji explains they went to find something of Natsuhi’s, while he stayed behind just in case. They all run up to Natsuhi’s room. On the outside of the door are red handprints and scratches.

Sure enough, inside, they find the last three twilights. Gohda is five, George six, Shannon four.

Dazed, Battler asks Maria what happens now. She repeats the ninth and tenth twilights, about the witch being revived, none being left alive, and the door to the Golden Land opening.

Battler can’t believe it, saying all they’ve done has been useless. Maria takes his hand and tells him not to worry, that she’ll keep him safe. Aww. It’s cute in a weird, creepy way.

As they head back to the parlor, Battler realizes this was another locked room. But he doesn’t even care anymore. He just can’t emotionally process anything else.

Rosa refuses to let Genji in with them, and Battler can’t believe it, but Genji tells hims not to worry about it.

Battler goes and sits down on the couch in the parlor and sees… an envelope.

It’s two pages again, with the magic circle from last time and a note:

Are you making progress solving the riddle of the epitaph? Very, very soon, you’ll run out of time. The ninth twilight will start very soon.

Battler starts freaking out and suddenly, Rosa turns the gun on him. She says she’s concluded he’s a wolf. Battler basically has a total nervous breakdown and just sobs incoherently as Rosa says not only does she think he’s in on it, she doesn’t even think he’s Battler. The scene ends with Rosa yelling and Battler in tears begging Bea to show herself and end this.

Meanwhile, Kinzo wakes up from a nap. He rants and raves for a while about how much he needs to see Beatrice again, and how he’ll apologize to her this time.

Kinzo tearfully mutters “I love you,” and there’s a knock on the door.

With that, the clock moves to 11:30 PM.

Battler is in the dining room. He’s decided to get drunk and wait to die.

As he sits at the table, someone knocks on the door. It’s Genji. Genji’s like, do you want to spend your last minutes drinking, or do you want to come talk to Kinzo about the truth? He also implies that Battler ‘takes after Kinzo’ by being an alcoholic which… is not something we’ve seen before and something Bat understandably finds upsetting. I also wouldn’t call one wild binge with the goal of numbing your impending death the equivalent of drinking yourself into a stupor every day for 50 years. It is totally understandable that Battler would try anything to escape right now, and it’s kind of amazing no one broke out booze before this. Also wine is delicious.

Reagrdless, Bat decides he wants answers and follows Genji.

Ask they walk, Genji tells him to be prepared, and Bat’s like, really, after all this, you’re still saying that? Genji continues to be suspiciously silent and compliant.

Battler walks into Kinzo’s study… and it’s filled with butterflies. Kinzo and Bea sit on the sofa playing chess.

Beatrice: “You did well coming here, Ushiromiya Battler. First, sit down. ………You called my name many times, did you not? In deference to that, I allowed you to meet me. …So, what will you ask me? What will you inquire? ……The door to the Golden Land will soon be opened. Soon, we will have a banquet to celebrate my revival, at which I will be welcoming the witches. …In the meantime, I’ll be answering your questions, as many as you like.”

Battler asks everything on his mind until Kinzo tells him to shut up, but Bea says it’s fine.

 “…Kinzo and I made a bet. We bet on which would come first, Kinzo thinking of a new move, or me making you surrender. I don’t feel like losing. *cackle*cackle*cackle*cackle*…!”

Bea tells him to start asking questions, and– credits.

But then… the glass breaks, and the clock moves to 11:59. So we’re not done just yet.

45 Comments

  1. illhousen says:

    It’s Shannon’s power, being used as a shield. THE POWER OF LOVE

    Shannon, the apprentice of Araya.

    Shannon: Fuuuuuck, not another murder ritual.

    It is totally understandable that Battler would try anything to escape right now, and it’s kind of amazing no one broke out booze before this.

    Can you imagine if Rosa did this route? That would have been a real problem for Beatrice since she wouldn’t have anyone left to kill for the ritual.




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    1. Act says:

      what if rose’s like a really mellow drunk tho




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      1. illhousen says:

        I mean, either way she has a gun, though her being mellow would probably reduce the number of casualties.




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  2. Heatth says:

    George asks Genji if he thinks Bea is real. “I have no opinion.” Sounds about right.

    Genji is kinda infuriating at times.

    Alright, George, you can eat the cookie now. Don’t make me regret this.

    You are too nice to him. =p Ok, I might be being unfair, he is not being a complete jerk. But it really bothered me that, even on this situation, he is acting like a master to the servants. Like, he gave everyone orders and then just sit waiting for them to fulfill them. Like, even if he didn’t know the mansion well enough to help finding the flashlight and umbrellas, he could still help Gohda find something to break to windows. It just rubs me the wrong way to see someone giving orders without even trying to help (specially when one of the person they are giving orders to are their girlfriend).

    At last he do start become pro active when shit hits the fan. That is nice.

    Anyway, we are close to the end, but not quite there. Looking forward to seeing the conclusion. That said, is it just me or this post was unusually devoid of commentary, Act? You didn’t even comment on the ending credit.




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    1. Actislazyandwontlogin says:
      I wrote it at the end of a marathon writing session so yeah, it’s a bit sparse. womp womp



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    2. Act says:

      But it really bothered me that, even on this situation, he is acting like a master to the servants.

      I think in this situation it kind of makes sense — Genji is an existentially lost lump of useless, Shannon is beside herself because she thinks it’s all her fault, and Gohda is not well liked among the family and other staff. I think it would have reflected worse on him to not step up and take charge here.




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      1. Heatth says:

        My problem is not him taking charge. The problem is him just standing and doing nothing while everybody works. There is no reason he couldn’t try to make himself useful, instead of acting like the undisputed master. He does that in the chapel too. He only actually bother doing something himself when running away and desperate.

        Furthermore, I don’t take kindly someone ordering his girlfriend/wife around without helping. I mean, aren’t they supposed to be equals? That is what the two decided right? Eva is dead, so there is no need to hide anymore. George acting as a self appointed master to the servants is extra creepy if you factor his wife is one of them.




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  3. beanbug says:

    Genjo just says, I’ve lived a long time, so I’m willing to leave it up to the roulette.

    You can’t just drop a genji/nanjo culprit theory on us like that without explaining the howdunnit, Act!

    Meta!Bea pops up to say I keep my promises. She seems… sad.

    She still hasn’t forgotten that one time that one witch promised to return her copy of And Then There Were None, but never did. It was signed, too!

    I like the idea that Shannon is stronger than Kanon, though admittedly this is not!Kanon.

    Shannon rips off her shirt, revealing a perfect 8-pack. It’s beautiful. Everybody on the island cries because they can’t get nearly as buff. The true motive for the murders is revealed: Beatrice is super jealous of how absolutely shredded Shannon is.

    Jokes aside, Shannon being stronger than Kanon is one of my fave headcanons. Same with Jessica being stronger than Kanon (please. imagine jessica effortlessly bridal style carrying kanon and then him trying to pick her up but can’t).

     

    Shannon: We’ll never surrender to you! Our power of love is too strong!

    Beato, lounging on the bed, a pamphlet saying ‘red flags of relationship abuse’ in her hands: yea gimme like 5 minutes to read this to you




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    1. illhousen says:

      You can’t just drop a genji/nanjo culprit theory on us like that without explaining the howdunnit, Act!

      The game just established that he’s a master of throwing knives. At the very least, that would easily explain the Eva/Hideo murder in the first game: Genji opened the door as far as the chain allowed and threw two stakes. One went straight into Eva’s head, another bounced off a wall and struck Hideo in the shower.

      This theory also explains the choice of murder weapons as stakes presumably have better balance for throwing than regular kitchen knives.

      red flags of relationship abuse

      Written in red, of course.




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    2. Act says:

      You can’t just drop a genji/nanjo culprit theory on us like that without explaining the howdunnit, Act!

      I apparently made this typo on multiple occasions because I explicitly remember fixing it before.




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      1. beanbug says:
        Without love, Genji/Nanjo, the truest of OTPs, cannot be seen. 

         




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        1. illhousen says:

          …No shit. I actually missed your point on first reading and thought you were just talking about Act’s comment on ho Genji looks suspicious, with Nanjo mentioning being about earlier speculations on how the doctor is often involved in such cases.

          Alas, the truth of the game has escaped me.




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          1. beanbug says:
            The truth of this game is simple! Genji and Nanjo are secretly dating. All the locked rooms can be explained with secret pasages that they use to smooch each other on the clock that only they know about. 



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            1. Act says:

              So do I write the last posts for this route or do I write Beatrice’s Genjo shipfic for Battler.




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            2. beanbug says:
              I’ll do the heavy lifting, don’t worry. Feel free to poke me for a short sequel once you hit early episode 3. 

               

              Battler was in for a rude surprise when he entered the smoking room after a short break for food. Plastered upon the windows where the game was broadcasted were…Nanjo and…Genji? They were in some part of the mansion he’d never seen before, close to each other.

              Keeping his eyes trained on the windows in case the damned witch tried anything-he could tell, she was doing That Face-he sat down across from her.

              “Well, Battleeeeer? What do you think?” With a wave of her hand, the scene started moving. 

               

              “N-nanjo…when I get close to you…my heart beats fast.”

              “Genji, I’m afraid that is a symptom of high blood pressure. You should probably get that checked out.”

              “What a pity. In that case, can you check me out?” Slowly, he took off his shirt. He had an 8 pack. He was shredded. It was incredible, so incredible Nanjo’s breath got taken away.

              Slowly he pressed his fingers against Genji’s rippling abs, sexily taking his blood pressure. 

              “Such a pity this awful family prevents you from using these to their full potential.”

              “Well,” Genji said sexily, moving to cup Nanjo’s chin, “We could kill them. Together.”

               

              “Why,” Battler said, drawing in his breath for maximum dramatic effect, “are you showing me this?”

              “Weeeeell, you mentioned a Genji and Nanjo culprit theory, but refused to tell me any more! So I miiiiiiight’ve filled in the blanks. Wanna see the bit where they make out over all the corpses in the shed?”

              No.”




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  4. Cosmogone says:
    >>You know, Genji feels super suspicious to me this route. Partially because of his weird devotion to Kinzo, but also because of all the furniture, he’s the one we’ve seen the least personality from.

    You know, what’s even the deal with this guy? Last route gave the impression that he was promoted to the status of furniture due to his loyalty to Kinzo, but this one is really heavy on how “furniture” is inherently different from humans. Even if the theory about servants from the orphanage being Kinzo’s children is correct, this can’t be Genji’s case, so… Can a regular person become “furniture” or is it something you’re born with?

    >>Bea keeps calling Shannon furniture but all Shannon says is that Bea is truly pitiful, trying to humiliate her in front of George as if she has any concept of a loving relationship. Bea starts to get desperate, shouting FUNITURE, but Shannon keeps her nose up and says it’s just getting sad.

    Goddamnit, how does R07 do it? I feel so sorry for Beatrice despite her… everything. But, uh, I have to ruin this moment completely by pointing out that her motive just got more confusing for me. I though we had a rough outline already: Beata is the daughter of the original Beatrice who’s taking revenge on Kinzo for doing… something to her mother. Here, though, she speaks as if she had first-hand experience with “fraud”, as she puts it. I guess it can still make perfect sense for a certain kind of personality, but I feel like Ryukishi is messing with me and her motivation has an additional layer to it or is completely different. Or was there never any daughter and beata is really a ghost? God, I feel so stupid.

    >>Rosa says not only does she think he’s in on it, she doesn’t even think he’s Battler. 

    Wait, what. I know Rosa is completely nuts, but can’t she at least elaborate.

    >>Kinzo and I made a bet. We bet on which would come first, Kinzo thinking of a new move, or me making you surrender.

    What the hell is going on in this VN. I know I’m just really dense, but I seriously  don’t understand the nature of Kinzo’s and Beatrice’s game. It sounds simple enough, Beatrice will keep killing people until someone solves the epitaph and finds the gold. Kinzo, who put it all in motion, just sits back and hopes to stay alive until the end. These two elements don’t add up, because Kinzo knows the meaning of the epitaph and where the gold is, thus making it all a bit meaningless. Beata clearly doesn’t care about the gold, either. As far as I understand, the idea of gold is just a decoy to force the Ushiromiyas to solve the epitaph and may not even be real. What I don’t understand, though, is why it’s important, what Kinzo hopes to actually achieve for himself and why did he spend this whole route just dicking around. It feels like Beatrice and Kinzo are playing two different games or something.




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    1. illhousen says:

      From the magic perspective, the nature of the game is thus: both Kinzo and Beatrice want to revive Beatrice and open the path to the Golden Land. Kinzo has an additional condition of staying alive to see it.

      To that end, Kinzo sets in motion the murder ritual, which Beatrice performs.

      However, due to the nature of magic, the ritual must be conditional. Without risk the miracle will not occur. So they have to make the ritual more risky for it to work, add conditions that prevent Beatrice’s victory. The epitaph is part of that: if the family solves it and finds the gold, the ritual would be forfeit.




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      1. Cosmogone says:
        Oh, now that makes sense. I didn’t realise Kinzo is interested in the epitaph not being solved, thanks for the explanation.) I guess the real mystery of this VN is how the magical part of the plot is infinitely more confusing for me than the non-magical one.



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        1. illhousen says:

          Well, the connection between the ritual and the epitaph was established back in the first episode when Kinzo encouraged one of the servants (Kanon, I think) to try and solve it precisely because it would decrease the chances of the ritual working, thus increasing its power if it does work.

          Enthropomancers are a paradozal lot.

          I don’t remember if this info was repeated this route, though, which could be the source of confusion.




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          1. Cosmogone says:
            Man, now I even remember that scene with Kanon. Tbh, I probably just wasn’t paying enough attention to magic stuff until midway through this route because I was too focused on finding the culprit and not so much on understanding characters’ motivations (…this will totally end up being an aesop, won’t it?)



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            1. illhousen says:

              Without love it cannot be seen.




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            2. Socordya says:

              Without love it cannot be seen.

              Don’t forget the heart!




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            3. illhousen says:

              I feel like by the end of it we’re going to communicate solely in Umineko memes.

              Well, that would certainly make the blog more… colorful.




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            4. Act says:

              If you think I’m ever going to stop using red text all over this blog and also my life you are sadly mistaken.




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    2. beanbug says:
      The video for Shannon vs Beato is pretty good, almost entirely because Beato’s VA is having so much fun hamming it up (Beato comes in around 5:30, breaks around 14:00). kagu kagu kagu kagu kaaaaaaaaaaaagu.

      Wait, what. I know Rosa is completely nuts, but can’t she at least elaborate.

      Time for textdump! Here’s the transcript of this scene, or at least what Rosa is saying. You can check it here!

      “When I came into the room just now, I saw that there was nothing at all on the table. And I know that Maria did not approach that table. It was for a short time. But the only one who claims to have approached the table and found the letter, is you.

      Because only you could set that letter there!! That’s right, this is all a charade!! You pulled an envelope from your pocket, and then acted as though you had just found it. To create the illusion that the witch entered a closed room, set down a letter, and left!!

      Even if you could have received a large amount of money, I don’t want to believe that a demon who would sell their own parents exists. But…maybe he does. No, that’s a bad way to say it…What if in your eyes, Battler-kun, Rudolf nii-san and Kyrie-san weren’t your parents? …I’m sorry, that was a bad way to say it. Of course, Ushiromiya Battler-kun might be Rudolf nii-san’s child! …But, are you really Battler-kun, Rudolf nii-san’s child?! Including Rudolf nii-san, we’ve been reunited with you after six years. No one can prove that you really are Ushiromiya Battler, right?! Maybe you aren’t really Ushiromiya Battler, but someone who’s snuck in, trying to steal the wealth of the Ushiromiya family!!! Can you clearly prove that you are Ushiromiya Battler, right here, right now?”

       

      That’s the gist of it. 

      What the hell is going on in this VN. I know I’m just really dense, but I seriously  don’t understand the nature of Kinzo’s and Beatrice’s game

      Kinzo wants one thing, and one thing only: reuniting with his waifu. The epitaph ritual is supposed to revive the witch and restore her power; Kinzo starts it to revive the witch Beatrice, and thus be reunited with her. The murder of his awful family is just a bonus. 

      …at least, all this is according to the witch! 

       

      I can clarify other things if needed, provided they’re just things the story has told us-posting game text, clarifying twilight circumstances, etc. I haven’t told you anything here that Beatrice hasn’t already said at some point prior. 




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      1. Cosmogone says:
        O SHIT. Rosa is completely nuts and makes some pretty good points!

        Thanks a lot for the transcript.)) I’m a dumbass who keeps forgetting to check confusing scenes on the lparchive. Next time I should do that instead of bothering people with stupid questions.

        Also, whoa, people keep saying that the voice acting in the VN is hit-and-miss, but Beatrice’s voice is just perfect, imo.




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        1. Heatth says:

          Also, whoa, people keep saying that the voice acting in the VN is hit-and-miss, but Beatrice’s voice is just perfect, imo.

          I have a lot of problems with the PS3 version (and that video revealed me another: ‘bad lip flaps’). But overall the voices are very on point. There are a few miss, but all the important ones (Battler, Beatrice…) are good.




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          1. Socordya says:

            and that video revealed me another: ‘bad lip flaps’

            Right??? I was watching that video and I was like, were their lips always so weird?




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            1. Heatth says:

              The original PS3 graphics patch didn’t have this “feature”. It is not as simple as just call a different image on the script or to play a new sound, afterall. Some went to the trouble of coding this in specially for the patch. Someone went all this trouble just to result in that.




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        2. CrazyEd says:

          ahahaha.wav

          Yeah, Ohara Sayaka is… well, she’s not Inoue Kikuko or Tanaka Atsuko, but… Well, whoever was the casting director really hit the mark for what was important for Beatrice: The Ara Ara Vibe and ability to ham it up.

          That’s why I think Tanaka Atsuko would do better, because she was Medea in Fate Stay/Night and also Carmilla in Grand Order, though I don’t think Ohara is a bad pick by any means. She did do the witch in xxxHolic, after all. It’s just… That’s Iri!

          Now excuse me while I go cry about the Fate/Zero event where I didn’t manage to get her.




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      2. illhousen says:

        So, basically, a butler Battler did it (no, I’m not going to get tired of this). This ignores the fact that he was with her for quite some time now and so has a solid alibi for the recent murders, but I guess in her mind everyone conspires against her together, so maybe those people have committed suicide jjust to provide Battler with alibi so she would lower her guard around him.




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        1. Cosmogone says:
          The way I see it, if a character brings up an interesting point, even if we know it doesn’t work for the current route, it might be relevant to a different route. It’s always good to keep track of various theories regardless.



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          1. Act says:

            It would be kind of amazing if the solution meta!Battler comes up with is that he’s the one responsible for everything.




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            1. illhousen says:

              That would be thematically interesting. Currently, Beatrice torments Battler with the fact that rejecting her existence means accepting that a member of the family or one of the servants is the true culprit. The proposed solution would absolve them of sin at a cost of damning Battler himself.




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            2. Act says:

              Yeah, exactly! It would be a neat twist. I’m also aware that there’s a nonzero chance it’s what happens.




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            3. Cosmogone says:
              God, that would be so cool. Although… can he even do that? If Beata’s game runs on the Golden Age rules, which it probably does, the detective isn’t allowed to be the culprit. Hmm. Could meta!Battler argue that game!Battler isn’t actually our “detective” and relegate this role to a different character for this sort of gambit?



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              1. Act says:

                The thing that’s interesting/fuckingumineko is that the rule about the viewpoint character not being the perp was one of Christie’s favorite to break magnificently, and this is obviously a huge homage to Christie, so it would be entirely within the bounds of Umineko’s metalogic for the detective to prove himself guilty.




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    3. Socordya says:

      What I don’t understand, though, is why it’s important, what Kinzo hopes to actually achieve for himself and why did he spend this whole route just dicking around.

      Without love, it cannot be seen. The reason you don’t understand is because you lack love. Because you’re furniture.




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      1. Cosmogone says:
        Shit, you’re totally right! I don’t know how I overlooked this fact. Do I get a laser penis sword, though? That seems like a fair trade for the ability to love.



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        1. illhousen says:

          No. Kanon has a sword, but Shannon has a barrier. From this, we can assume that each furniture has a unique weapon/ability. They’re all laser, though.

          As such, you should have something different from Kanon and Shannon. Personally, I’m fond of axes. Or maybe a flail. Flail is a visually cool and kinda underrated weapon.




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          1. Cosmogone says:
            A whip, just to keep it uncomfortably Freudian!



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            1. illhousen says:

              Beatrice approves +10




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            2. Nerem says:
              https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/gundam/images/5/5a/Raider-gundam-art7308.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120216174432 I found your mecha of choice then.

               

              Also they’re all BEAMS, not LASERs! … Wait, I should probably only yell at Ready Player One about that.
               




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          2. EnviTheFool says:

            And perhaps, someday, even Gohda might graduate into proper furniture and receive the customary laser spell.

            All in order to unleash his true cooking potential, naturally.




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