Umineko – Turn of the Golden Witch – 10/5, 7:30 AM to 6:00 PM

Last time, Ryukishi gives us a crash course in Fair Play. Also, we somehow only covered an hour and a half of in-game time.

The gang returns to the main house, and everyone is exhausted despite it being early morning. Only Maria seems unfazed, obviously.

Kuma comes in all cheerful and full of Conservation of Characters violation. Gohda fills her in and as she freaks out, Rosa laughs at her terror, because sure Rosa.

Rosa thinks that with everyone dead, she’s the head of the family now, and decides she should go see Kinzo because I guess she feels like he’ll know what to do for reasons that are unclear to me. As she goes up the stairs, a gold butterfly settles on her shirt without her noticing, and ahaha.wav.

Speaking of Bea, who’re the next sacrifices scheduled? I assume Kanon and Jess are the lovers. Oh, ‘praise my noble name’ is next, then the forehead, which was maybe!Kinzo in the furnace last time.

They talk about the culprit, and George points out that while they all are assuming it was school!Beatrice, it may not be, and she could even have been killed herself since no one’s seen her. Battler can’t get over that the murderer so clearly wanted to bodies to be found, especially since there’s no way to get off the island.

Bat asks if Jess is okay, and Gohda says Kanon is tending to her in her quarters. Bat is like, uh, maybe we shouldn’t leave two kids alone in a house where someone just murdered 6 people? He reminds everyone of the letter from the chapel implying that if they don’t solve the epitaph riddle they’ll all be killed. The adults start freaking out.

Kuma brings up something else, which is that over the course of years, the family was only ever able to locate one gold bar with the family crest on it, and suddenly three pop up in the chapel. They wonder if Bea found those and is trying to make them lead her to the rest, or if she’s found the gold stash already and is just toying with them. Maria comes over to be creepy, and she and Bat start talking about the nature of the riddle.

Then the door opens and everyone jumps, but it’s Rosa, Shannon, and Genji. Rosa immediately just walks over and slaps Maria for talking about the witch. WTF, Rosa, she was in the middle of answering Battler’s questions.

Without waiting for a response, she hit Maria’s cheek once more. Everyone could only stand there, shocked.

Rosa: “I don’t know what uu- means. What about yes?”
Maria: “…………Uu-.”

She mercilessly hit Maria’s cheek again. ……Maybe she didn’t feel like resisting after being hit twice. Maria weakly said yes.

Nanjo is like holy crap, do not do that, and Rosa tells him to mind his own business. Then she pulls out the rifle. Oh, good.

Father was fine, but he was considerably shaken by these sudden events.

Is Rosa lying here? She could be projecting, but I don’t believe Kinzo is a good enough actor to trick her, nor do I think he’d have any motivation to.

Anyway, Rosa says it’s time to collect Jess and Kanon, and they should all go as a pack. So they do. Rosa leads like a SWAT captain, shouting for everyone to keep pace and stay together. Geez, I miss Natsuhi.

Obviously when they get there that gate-like magic circle is on the door, and when the break in to the room they find Jess’ body.

They also realize Kanon has vanished.

Rosa finds a key on the nightstand, the one to Jess’ room. They chat about who had access to Jess’ room, and Bea pops up with some red text.

The only master keys are the ones held by the servants, one key each.

This is another Fair Play thing, where someone can’t pop up with the eleventh hour with a key no one knew about. From my perspective, it doesn’t really change anything. I’m assuming standard game rules to start with.

Back in real(ish) time, Rosa says, then we know one of the servants was, at least, an accomplice. They all start fretting. Rosa says only Shannon and Genji are accounted for, since they were with Kinzo the entire time. So either Kanon, Kuma, or Gohda have to be in on it. Or someone pickpocketed them, Rosa.

Anyway, Rosa starts waving the gun at Gohda and Kuma and raving about how she was both literally and metaphorically stabbed in the back. She concludes it’s Kanon who killed Jess, and when people say they can’t believe she jumps on them like WELL THERE’S NO ONE ELSE IF YOU HAVE DOUBTS TELL ME WHO IT WAS. She’s just acting like a lunatic, jumping down everyone’s throats if they dare have feelings.

Rosa oba-san closed in on Shannon-chan and George-aniki, laughing unpleasantly.

Rosa is super getting off on all this.

metaBea and metaBat pop up, and Bea mocks Battler for being distressed at the idea of Kanon being a killer. She’s right, though — if he wants to solve things, he’s going to have to face that someone he loves is a murderer.

Nanjo says they need to think logically, and for now assuming Kanon’s guilt is safer. It probably is, if just to stop Rosa from shooting someone.

Rosa waves the gun at people some more and says we all agree it was Kanon… RIGHT??? And everyone is like, holy fuck, okay, it was Kanon. But deep down no one believes it.

The narration pans to the side, and the spirits of Kanon and Jess look on. Jess is sobbing, saying she can’t believe they would say such things of Kanon. Kanon is calm, saying this was Bea’s plan all along, to frame him. Jess says but it just means everyone’s guard is down, and they won’t think about who else could be dangerous. Kanon agrees and Bea laughs at their ghostpain.

Everyone starts to file out of the room, but Bat refuses to leave, and says he doesn’t believe Kanon is the culprit. meta!Bat pops up to be like WHAT ARE YOU DOING I HAVE NO CLUE WHO IT REALLY WAS but real!Bat just continues.

Rosa starts her THEN WHO DID IT HUH HUH WHO YOU DUMB FUCKHEAD HUH and Bat is like hold off, I’m not interested in assigning blame, I just want to show why it couldn’t have been Kanon. Thank you, finally someone stands up to her.

Meta!Bat finally realizes what real!Bat is doing, and says to Bea: red-text me this, did Kanon have his master key on him? And Bea is silent.

“Just now, I heard what Gohda-san said. Just before he split up with Kanon-kun. The part about when Jessica went to raid the honored guest room.”

Ah, so we’re still in mystery tutorial mode, Checkov’s Gun Edition. Gohda said Kanon gave Jess the key, but never mentioned him giving it back. real!Bat tells Nanjo to look in Jess’ pockets, and sure enough, Kanon’s key is there.

Rosa tries to THEN WHO DID IT HUH and Bat is like seriously, shut the fuck up. Or maybe that’s how I am, but Bat does tell her to stop.

“But if you’re going to say someone’s guilty, prepare some perfect evidence! As long as you can’t do that, definitely don’t say someone is guilty because of speculation!!!”

Back with metaduo, we again get a Fair Play review of the locked-room mystery, with There are absolutely no types of hidden doors and The only way to lock the door is with Jessica’s single key or the master keys, only one of which is held by each servant. She also adds that the window is locked from the inside. Bat further asks her to establish that Kanon was killed in this room. But, she won’t say Kanon’s corpse is in the room. Obviously, I think. Bat points out that refusing to red-text and not being able to aren’t the same thing. Thank you, tutorial!Bat.

As Battler thinks, she throws out two more: When locked, [the door to Jess’ room] does not permit any form of entry and No trick could have the effect of locking the door from the outside without using a key.

That’s interestingly specific. But obviously you could lock the door from the inside. Most doors can be locked from the inside. I was thinking this earlier (and I guess should have said something so I didn’t look like a liar…) but depending on what kind of lock it is, it’s entirely possible to lock a door from the inside, leave the room, and latch it, locked, behind you.

Battler is deep in thought.

Am I just naive? Am I just a kid who doesn’t want to have my feelings betrayed, when my feelings tell me that this person at least could never commit murder…? I want to deny that a witch did it, and I also want to deny that a human did it. …I don’t even know what I’m doing right now…

Poor Battler.

Bea laughs at him, and says he’s making the game far more difficult for himself than it has to be, since on top of denying Beatrice, he’s trying to come up with conditions than exonerate everyone. He knows she’s right.

He goes back to the idea that someone pilfered the key to the chapel from Maria, and how he weaseled out of blaming anyone. He realizes George and Jess are the people who had the best access to Maria’s handbag. I’m open to pinning this whole thing on George, sure.

He says he just has to concentrate on proving school!Beatrice is the perp, but Bea points out this will be far more difficult. He doesn’t care.

Back in reality, Bat says he can’t figure out who did it, but Shannon thanks him for Kanon’s sake. He says he doesn’t want to be at Rosa’s throat, so they stiffly shake hands. Bat realizes that while his goal is to deny Beatrice and save the family, Rosa’s is to deny Beatrice, period, and she doesn’t care who she has to sacrifice to do that.

As he meditates over her ruthlessness, the clock moves to 1:00 PM.

Incidentally, Rosa’s motivation her is basically, “Fuck Maria.” She’s willing to sacrifice anything to deny the witch, but she only wants to do that because she resents Maria’s hobbies so much. It’s, ah, a far cry from Natsuhi being willing to do anything for the daughter she gave up so much to have.

They all go back to the parlor (heh), and basically decide to sit quietly until the storm stops and a boat comes.

After lunch, Maria goes over to Bat to show him the ‘Wolves and Sheep Puzzle.’ Oooooh, it’s the one with the boat going back and forth but only so many people in so many combinations can get on it at once, and how do you get everyone over.

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Bat realizes this means Rosa was immediately suspicious of the servants. As he’s doing more puzzles with Maria, Rosa shoos all the servants out of the room to wash dishes, and then chases Nanjo away as well. This seems like how Nanjo dies.

Battler: “So you’re saying that you’ve chased out all of the ‘wolves’? ……Aunt Rosa.”

With that one sentence, Rosa’s gaze grew sharp. …Apparently she had picked up on the sarcasm. ……Rosa laughed lightly.

Rosa: “…Your mind sure works fast, Battler-kun. I like clever kids. It means there’s less to explain.”

Rose sounds more and more like a sociopath with every scene.

She tells Maria to scat, and pulls Bat and George aside, basically to convince them to turn on the servants. They’re not into it. Battler gets more sarcastic as the discussion goes on, and George just gets agitated.

 “…I hate to say this in front of Aniki, but that argument, ……feels just like something Eva oba-san would say. If we can’t argue back, then you automatically assume that you’re right. ……Looks like you can’t fight your blood after all, Oba-san.”

[…] I’m a mother! I would even become a demon to protect Maria’s safety.

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Don’t be stealing Natsuhi’s lines.

Rosa: “I just wanted to warn you not to be careless, as your mother. Always remain where I can see you. I will protect you.”
Battler: “And at the same time, you’ll be observing us to make sure we aren’t ‘wolves’. …Yeah, thanks a lot for that.

Lol, thank you, Battler.

He asks how they know she isn’t a wolf.

Rosa: “With this. …This is my proof.” Aunt Rosa lifted her gun and pointed the barrel at me.

Holy shit.

George: “…How does that gun prove that you aren’t the culprit, Rosa oba-san?”
Rosa: “Think about it. What if I were the culprit? Did you think I would let the once-in-a-lifetime chance I got when the servants left get away? I could just shoot you, *bang*, and think of a fitting excuse later. Something like, Beatrice appeared outside the window and shot you two 

Yeah, if you were a complete fucking psychopath.

Battler: Well, that’s a crazily violent way to argue it

Thank you again, Battler.

Suddenly Rosa does a complete aboutface, saying she’s just so concerned, so she hopes they’re all still besties.

 Battler-kun, George-kun. …Let’s make up.”

An unsatisfied expression rose to George-aniki’s face.

At least George is on the ball here.

Battler is just quiet, thinking about how he still can’t let go that it was school!Beatrice. Meta!Beatrice pops in to ahaha.wav at him.

We jump over to the servants and Nanjo in the kitchen. Gohda is resolutely making soup, because he thinks Rosa is being ridiculously paranoid about poison in the food. He figures that anyone who’s afraid doesn’t have to eat it, and it will perk up everyone else after their TV-dinner-ish lunch. As they all laugh about how good the food smells, the music suddenly cuts out. Oh shit.

o shit

Then the music kicks back in and it’s super disconcerting. holy shit this music makes me uncomfortable.

They all turn and face the back door, terrified. Gohda manages to shout, ‘Who is it??’ He eyes a kitchen knife, but doesn’t pick it up yet.

Gohda and Genji make eye contact. Genji slides a knife up his sleeve and goes to the door.

holy fuck it’s kanon’s corpse

……His breath was feeble, ……and the puddles of mud he left quickly became drenched bright-red.

Holy shit, he’s still alive???

They all go omg, and Genji tells Shannon to inform Rosa.

Kanon says… Wait… not… Rosa…sama. So he’s concious. Geez.

Genji calls off Shannon, saying not to tell Rosa until they hear more from Kanon.

But are we sure this is Kanon? We know he either dies or is dead, and if someone wanted to sow more chaos, having the servants keep things from Rosa would be the way to go.

Regardless, they move him to a bed, and Nanjo tries desperately to get the wound to stop bleeding. Genji asks what the prognosis is, and Nanjo says he’s shocked he’s still alive at all, and he needs a blood transfusion, but they obviously can’t get him off the island to get one.

“…Rosa-sama, came… t, to Milady… and me…”

Wait, we saw their ghosts. So this has to be someone in disguise. Unless Bea like, stuffed his soul back in his corpse?

“Kanon” implicates Rosa in the murder of him and Jess. No, so this definitely can’t be Kanon. Or… could Bea or Kinzo have created furniture that’s identical to Kanon, injured it, and ordered it to go create chaos?

The older servants realize that if Rosa is the killer, the kids are in trouble. Shannon darts out of the room. This is how you get killed, Shannon.

Then she runs… to the boiler room?

Meanwhile, Gohda is in favor of Plan Get Gun Away From Rosa, a plan I support. He also wants to immediately run in, and is worried about the kids, but Kuma points out that they may not want to antagonize a madwoman with a gun. Genji is creepily silent.

Suddenly, Kanon… stands. “No, she said it… she said she’ll massacre all of us.”

Oh shit, he has evil eyes.

Everyone sees that something is not right here. Genji is the only one who knows magic is real, but surely there time has come for him to say this isn’t really Kanon…? Dude has completely bled out and is up walking around, the cat is out of the bag.

“Kanon” raves about how Rosa is evil and they need to kill her, and Genji just chill-ly says he doesn’t believe it. Kanon gets up and starts bleeding everywhere, insisting that he’s fine but they should totally stab Caesar.

Oh my god, it describes him like sticking his hand in the wound and I am not cut out for this.

Suddenly and mercifully for my sake, Shannon bursts in.

“Yes. I went to the boiler room. There was something I had to find. ……More importantly, I want to check. Are you really, …Kanon-kun?”

Oh thank god.

She has… a handkerchief, with a spiderweb on it? She says something about spiders being his natural enemy?

When Shannon brought that handkerchief close to Kanon’s thigh, …something happened in an instant. It happened all at once. The human eye couldn’t have followed it.

Kanon jumped like a wild goat, fleeing from the thing Shannon was holding. Then, from his arm, some kind of afterglow flashed purple and drew a locus.

That arc, which drew three beautiful purple trails, traced across the throats of Nanjo and Kumasawa, who had been tending to him.

What…? Is Beatrice like, allergic to spiders or something?

He apparently also aimed for Shannon, but Genji had anticipated it and pulled her out of the way. The Kanon-thing flies all over the place, and Gohda lunges at him. Gohda manages to pin him down, and Genji approaches with the spiderweb. He shoves it in Kanon-thing’s face, and it explodes into gold butterflies.

Gohda just screams WHAT THE FUCK JUST HAPPENED and Shannon cries over Kuma and Nanjo. Genji is again creepily silent.

We jump to Shannon, Genji, and Gohda telling Rosa Nanjo and Kuma are dead.

Genji and Gohda just stammer that they don’t know how to explain what happened, and Rosa starts to head for their throats, but Battler tells her to back the fuck off since they just saw two people fucking murdered in front of them by a swarm of butterflies. He may not have said those exact words.

Also, this is a bit of a digression, but since Kuma and Nanjo weren’t killed according with the ritual… does it not count? Is the ritual messed up? Do two extra people have to be killed?

Genji finally manages words:

“At first… we believed [the person at the back door] was Kanon […] …….I cannot explain with words what happened after that. ……He killed Doctor Nanjo and Kumasawa, ……then disappeared. At that time, he was definitely not Kanon…”

Genji can’t say anything else, and neither can Gohda or Shannon.

Rosa decides they’re all going to go look at the bodies, and takes some time to yell at Maria, because why not. Maria says she’s trying to solve Beatrice’s riddle. Yeah, everyone’s kind of forgotten about that. But Rosa shuffles everyone off before Maria can elaborte.

Oh, are the bodies going to be stabbed with stakes when they get there?

Oh, no, instead, the corpses are gone. Rosa immediately starts pointing the gun at people because of course she does. Gohda starts freaking out and Rosa searches the room. What she finds is an envelope.

Members of the Ushiromiya family and its household,
Have you now reached the climax of the riddle of the gold’s epitaph?
There is only one way you can stop me: By solving the epitaph’s riddle.
There are no options left to you that result in the suspension of my ceremony.
I humbly ask that you take care not to misunderstand your current situation.

Searching for me will prove useless.
Attempting to escape will prove useless.
Trying to deny me will prove useless.

—–Beatrice the Golden

PS
I borrowed those two corpses for my ceremony.
They will be returned to you in due time, so I crave your indulgence.
Also, these keys belong to you, so I’m returning them now.

So she did take them to do some stabbery, then. The keys are the master key that Jess had and the one Kuma had.

Meta!Bat is all What the heeeeeell? Which, you know, fair. Bea pops up to add that There are several servant room keys, but all of those are inside the key box in the servant room. She also goes over the ground rules again, but I’m not going to repeat those. She then continues the fair play tutorial, adding that there are no secret compartments in the rooms anyone is hiding in, so we can assume that both in the case of Jessica’s room and the case in this servant room, no humans exist that you were not aware of. No one is hiding.

Lol. ahaha.wav truth confirmed

Beatrice then says that if Jess killed Kanon and played dead, that would work! And Bat starts freaking out.

She cackles until the scene fades out.

Back in reality, Rosa completely loses her shit once and for all.

You can’t trust anyone but yourself and those whose corpses have been found. And since we cannot find the corpses, there’s no reason we should accept that those two were killed. […] Doctor Nanjo and Kumasawa-san aren’t dead, they’re alive! They made it seem like they were killed, and are hiding somewhere in this mansion. So that they can attack us!!”

Everyone is like, wtf??

Battler realizes that Rosa has set up a system where you can only be considered innocent if you get killed.

The three remaining servants all give Rosa their master keys to try to calm her down.

TBH fake!Kanon’s story was way too believable.

Maria chooses this time to come up and say the witch doesn’t need keys. Goddammit, Maria, she is going to shoot you and that’s not even a joke.

Rosa turns to her, but Bat gets in the way. He kneels down and hugs Maria, telling her he believes her. He believes in the witch.

Poor Maria.

Genji says that if it will make everyone feel better, he will wait in the kitchen, and they can lock themselves in. One by one the servants follow, and Rosa steals from Natsuhi again.

“……….I’m sorry for saying something so cruel just now. ………I don’t expect you to forgive me until tomorrow morning. But when tomorrow morning comes, let me apologize again.”

George goes with them, but stops Battler. Maria says she wants Bat to stay, too. So then the three are alone.

“….you can’t trust them for a moment. That damned furniture.”

Battler looks at Rosa in shock. What do you expect, she’s a damned sociopath. He bursts into tears, overwhelmed by everything and her cruelty.

Meta!Bat is completely distraught as well, and meta!Bea jumps in to say all her has to do is lick her feet, and it’ll be over. No one will be guilty.

“Oh, but I understand, there’s no way you would throw away your lordly pride. But that’s alright, that’s more than enough, you’re starting to waver a bit, aren’t you? For just an instant, you though maybe it would be alright to lick my shoes, didn’t you? And you immediately denied that and felt ashamed, riiiiight?? Just looking at that expression makes me feel just wooonderful!!”

The glass smashes, and the clock moves to 6:00 PM.

 

44 Comments

  1. Heatth says:

    Most doors can be locked from the inside.

    Where I live that is actually not the case at all. Only bathroom doors can be locked from the inside without a key. That part actually confused me quite a bit.




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    1. Act says:

      Interesting! I wonder if this is a US thing or a New England thing?




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      1. illhousen says:

        Can confirm it’s the same in Russia. Most internal doors in living  apartments/homes simply don’t have locks, aside from bathrooms.

        I actually thought that internal doors that can be locked  was a rich people thing to go along with the manor.




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  2. Socordya says:

    What…? Is Beatrice like, allergic to spiders or something?

    Recall that she is heavily associated with butterflies. Spiders eat butterflies (I think?).

    meta!Bea jumps in to say all her has to do is lick her feet, and it’ll be over.

    For just an instant, you though maybe it would be alright to lick my shoes, didn’t you?

    This episode is brought to you by Quentin Tarantino.




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    1. Act says:

      Bea’s obvious foot fetish is our biggest stumbling point as an OTP, honestly. Feet are gross.




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      1. beanbug says:
        I’d argue that her kink is more dominance than feet, since feet kissing only shows up when she talks about submission. The act of kissing somebody’s feet is a way to show submissivity; by kissing somebody’s feet, you have to kneel or crouch. It’s a very vernerable position-you’re not looking at the person’s face, you’re looking at the ground. If they decide to hurt you, you can’t do anything; you can’t see their warning cues, and you’re not able to effectively fight back because you’re not standing up. 

        It’s also a thing in the bible (one of the Luke passages), which Beatrice tends to draw from since Dante’s Inferno and all. 




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    1. illhousen says:

      Every time Beatrice laughs, it is the truth.




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  3. illhousen says:

    No, so this definitely can’t be Kanon. Or… could Bea or Kinzo have created furniture that’s identical to Kanon, injured it, and ordered it to go create chaos?

    I mean, from the magick perspective, all you need to do is animate the corpse and make it say whatever you want.

    Satan probably possesses him through the murder weapon or something.

    I’m more interesting to hear your thoughts on how it could be explained via mundane means.

    “Oh, but I understand, there’s no way you would throw away your lordly pride. But that’s alright, that’s more than enough, you’re starting to waver a bit, aren’t you? For just an instant, you though maybe it would be alright to lick my shoes, didn’t you? And you immediately denied that and felt ashamed, riiiiight?? Just looking at that expression makes me feel just wooonderful!!”

    Beatrice is into some kinky shit.

    Fifty Shades of Gold when.




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    1. Keltena says:

      Fifty Shades of Gold when.

      You say this like we’re not already reading it.




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    2. U.N. Owen says:
      Umineko no Naku Koro Ni Episode 2: Kink of the Golden Witch



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      1. illhousen says:

        Without love it cannot be seen.




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    3. beanbug says:
      i’d do an inspect element thing for a beato fetlife profile but i think i need an account to do that and…well, there are limits as to what i’ll do for a joke. 

      Name: Beatrice, 1000F

      Relationship status: ahaha.wav

      D/s status: top

      Looking for: furniture 




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    4. Act says:

      I’m more interesting to hear your thoughts on how it could be explained via mundane means.

      It would almost certainly have to be a double from Kinzo’s orphan farm, right? Bea red-texts “Kanon was killed in this room,” which means he’s dead after that scene, so it can’t be him. Or I guess someone else could have dressed up as him? idek, man




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    5. CrazyEd says:

      I’d write it but I’m garbage at femdom.




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  4. beanbug says:
    Shannon: Kanon, why did you kill Gohda and Nanjo?

    Kanon: to test my abilities.




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    1. illhousen says:

      Nah, doesn’t match.

      Kanon: Spiders are freaky! I lashed out! What were you thinking, shoving a web into my face?!




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  5. illhousen says:

    Also, forgot to post this:




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  6. Cosmogone says:
    >>Rosa immediately just walks over and slaps Maria for talking about the witch.

    >>Rosa oba-san closed in on Shannon-chan and George-aniki, laughing unpleasantly.

    Rosa just goes out of her way to be as unlikeable and suspicious as possible, huh.  I’m really tempted to blame the murders on her, except she obviously doesn’t have neither the smarts nor the cool head to plan and execute it all.

    >>Father was fine, but he was considerably shaken by these sudden events.

    Is Rosa lying here?

    I feel like she’s lying about something, if only because we weren’t actually shown her talking to Kinzo. The most obvious conclusion would be that Kinzo is dead – either Rosa killed him or found him dead and realised this (and the whole “youngest daughter becomes head of the family after a series of murders” thing) makes her the prime suspect, so she’s covering at least Kinzo’s death. Except Shannon and Genji were still in the studio when Rosa got there, so I’m speculating for nothing. Meh.

    >>The only master keys are the ones held by the servants, one key each.

    Uh, okay, but we know there are usually way more servants then we’ve seen so far (three or four more, I think?) Where are their keys? Is this what she means with “There are several servant room keys, but all of those are inside the key box in the servant room“? How many naster keys there are total and why don’t the servants currently on duty keep them at hand? Also, the fact that all the extra master keys are in the box when she red texts it doesn’t tell us anything.

    >>But, she won’t say Kanon’s corpse is in the room.

    Goddamnit, Battler could at least search the room to see if the corpse is still around. Sure, he’s not aware of the game and meta!Battler’s thoughts, but it’s just the next logical step in estabilishing the truth.

    >>What…? Is Beatrice like, allergic to spiders or something?

    In folklore spiders and spiderwebs usually guard against evil spirits. I don’t know if Japan believes in this as well, but it’s probable.

    >>“Oh, but I understand, there’s no way you would throw away your lordly pride. But that’s alright, that’s more than enough, you’re starting to waver a bit, aren’t you? For just an instant, you though maybe it would be alright to lick my shoes, didn’t you? And you immediately denied that and felt ashamed, riiiiight?? Just looking at that expression makes me feel just wooonderful!!”

    I see, Ryukishi’s uncomfortably open about his kinks. Brain bleach pls.

    About Kanon’s revival. i’m sorry if this is a little incoherent, but I need to share my theory with someone first and polish it later. So, we “saw” two magic battles, demons and Jess’ and Kanon’s ghosts, but magic isn’t real, etc., so we should put these things in a different box. What this leaves us with is the crime scenes, the servants’ testimonies and the red truth.

    First, the testimonies give us two possibilities. The servants could be lying, but I don’t really buy it. if it was just the wing servants, I would’ve assumed they are accomplices, but Gouda backs them up, so that’s probably not the case. Alternatively, the servants are telling the truth but they don’t understand what they saw. If magic is bleeding into the real world in the form of hallucinations, we must simply dismiss their talk about golden butterflies and look at the stated facts. I’m too lazy too google a transcript of the full conversation, though, so the only thing I get from this is that “Kanon who wasn’t Kanon killed Nanjo and Kumasawa, then disappeared”.

    About the crime scenes. Disappointingly, this is the part that provides us with the least amount of information. We’re not 100% sure Kumasawa and nanjo are dead, nor do we know whether they walked away on their own or the killer carried their corpses away or simply hid them. Logically, 1) they are dead and 2) the murderer hid the corpses in the kitchen, simply because nobody currently on the island seems strong enough to move two bodies in a short period of time. Similarly, we don’t have enough facts about the room Jessica was killed in: it was a closed room and Kanon’s body wasn’t seen, that’s all. this may mean that Kanon killed Jess, locked the room with a different key and walked away or that the killer hid or carried away his body.

    Lastly, the red truth. Beata says that “Kanon was killed in this room”. Again, it can mean two things. As you said, the person who attacked the servants could have been someone disguised as Kanon. Imo, Kanon is so small-framed only the girls could plausibly pass as him. Jess is dead, Shannon is… feasible, actually, because we’ve only seen the magical version of what was going on, not the real scene. Do other servants confirm that she was with them when Kanon appeared? OTOH, if it as Shannon, she wouldn’t have enough time to get rid of her disguise afterwards. Also, that’s a stupid idea. Okay, the most believable one is schoolgirl!Beatrice, though I was under the mpression that she’s much taller than  Kanon. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

    Rather than disguise, though, I think it’s easier to explain Beata’s red truth with wordplay. Jess spends a while trying to convince Kanon to “become someone other than Kanon”. At the time it seemed like this scene serves to emphasise that “furniture” have no control over their fate, but what is Jessica actually succeded in convincing him? “The servant Kanon” is his function, separate from the real person. At some point, the identity of “Kanon” dies while the real person doesn’t. Okay, we can argue that it fits with the magical fight we were shown and Kanon “dies” by rejecting his duty to go along with Beata’s bullshit. In this case, the question is why he attacks other servants and even Shannon later on. Did the original murderer convince him to go along with the original plan somehow?

    Another possibility is less pleasant and I feel kinda bad for bringing it up but… it’s possible that “the servant Kanon” is the identity that cares about Shannon’s and Jess’ wellbeing and the person behind this identity is the real culprit or an accomplice. Kanon “dies” because he’s over his hesitation to kill Jess, that’s all. It’s kind of unsettling, because I can’t think of a good motive (if the theory about the orphanage servants being Kinzo’s illegitimate children is correct, that’s at least something but it’s still pretty flimsy).




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    1. beanbug says:
      Act doesn’t mention it, but Beatrice tells you that there are only five master keys at the end of this segment! The end segment is transcribed here in-between a ton of femdom overtones if you want verification beyond “beanbug said so”. 



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      1. beanbug says:
        okay wow i forgot the default theme was black and made the text black. here’s my post since i can’t edit it:

        Act doesn’t mention it, but Beatrice tells you that there are only five master keys at the end of this segment! The end segment is transcribed here in-between a ton of femdom overtones if you want verification beyond “beanbug said so”. 




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      2. Cosmogone says:
        Noooo, my beautiful theory! But hey, thanks, this trims down the possibilities. :)

        (Also, holy shit, my comment was gigantic)




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    2. Cyouni says:
      If you want to check out a transcript of red-eyes Kanon and the section following it, here you go.



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      1. Cosmogone says:
        :) Thank you!



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    3. Heatth says:

      Okay, the most believable one is schoolgirl!Beatrice, though I was under the mpression that she’s much taller than Kanon. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

      The visual novel is rather vague with character heights. The sprite are not in scale, they are about the same in size (even Maria’s is not much smaller), so it is hard to tell. To my memory, Gohda, Battler and Rudolf are described as tall (with Gohda as the tallest) and Kanon is described as small, but that is it, I think.

      Btw, I am loving your theorizing. Keep it up!




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      1. Cosmogone says:
        >>The sprite are not in scale, they are about the same in size

        Huh, looking at the sprites, you’re right. I guess I assumed that Beata was really tall just because of how imposing she is. Thanks for pointing this out.))

        >>Btw, I am loving your theorizing. Keep it up!

        Aww, you flatter me. <3




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        1. beanbug says:
          If Beatrice wishes, she can make comets fall like rain and cover the island in pantsless anime girls! Changing her height and appearence is a parlor trick by comparison. 

           

          …Also, I’m also enjoying your theories! I can second what Heatth is saying; Kanon’s smaller, Rudolf/Gohda/Battler are all tall. We never get official heights (or even ages, for some of the older characters), but we do know blood types for whatever reason. Lots of O types. 




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          1. Hyatt says:
            Japan’s big into tying blood type to personality.



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            1. beanbug says:
              if type o blood means they’re awful people, that would explain a lot. 



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            2. Hyatt says:
              About the story or about humanity?



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            3. Act says:

              if type o blood means they’re awful people, that would explain a lot. 

              uh, i should tell you guys something…




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            4. Heatth says:

              So, according to wikipedia:

              Best traits
              Confident, self-determined, ambitious, strong-willed, intuitive, agreeable, competitive and athletic.

              Worst traits
              Unpredictable, spiteful, self-centered, cold, aggressive, arrogant, envious and ruthless.

              That actually seem to fit for a lot of the Ushiromiyas? I think Ryuukishi did that on purpose, yeas. Also, yeah, looking at the full table type O seem the most awful. Even the “best traits” are not actually that good and, in fact, are quite negative when paired with the worst traits (being “confident”, “ambitious” and “strong willed” seems really shitty when you are also “self centered”, “spiteful” and “ruthless”.




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          2. Cosmogone says:
            >>Also, I’m also enjoying your theories! 

            Thank you))

            >>we do know blood types for whatever reason. Lots of O types. 

            Ahh, my favorite R07 game. It’s called “Flavor text or FORESHADOWING?”




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            1. beanbug says:
              you see, this is all a secret hint that nanjo is secretly funneling ushiromiya blood onto the black market since o type is valuable, which explains the clone of battler that shows up in episode 34-since it was freely avalible on the market, they were able to sucessfully use it to clone him.

              :p




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            2. Cosmogone says:
              Literally the only reason I know that you’re joking is because this plot would be too close to Higurashi.



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            3. beanbug says:
              wait what



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            4. Cosmogone says:
              Totaly got back at you for that joke, didn’t I? :P

              But hm, “shady doctor needs a specific group’s blood for nefarious purposes” kinda fits as a description of Higurashi.




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      2. Act says:

        It’s emphasized that Gohda is unusually tall and strong both in this scene where he’s trying to restrain Kanon and later on when he’s trying to hold the door closed. Other than that, I can’t recall any really pointed emphasis on height/weight/build.




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        1. Keltena says:

          From a glance at the introductions back in EP1: Battler is tall, George is shorter than Battler (a glance at the LP says they’re about 5’11” and 5’7” respectively), Rudolf is about Battler’s height, Jessica is shorter than Battler, Gohda is taller and bulkier than Battler, and Kanon is described as small and slender. I can’t recall anyone’s height being specified outside of those scenes, though it might happen somewhere.




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    4. Act says:

       Okay, the most believable one is schoolgirl!Beatrice, though I was under the mpression that she’s much taller than  Kanon. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

      This is kind of where I fall. If we go with meta!Battler’s goal of proving everything was school!Beatrice, then it had to be her in disguise, and the wound was costume makeup. Then it’d be pretty easier for her, in costume, to drag the bodies away while Gohda, Genji, and Shannon run for help.




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    5. CrazyEd says:

      In folklore spiders and spiderwebs usually guard against evil spirits. I don’t know if Japan believes in this as well, but it’s probable.

      Considering the legitimately accurate use of griomoire magic in this game… I’d be surprised if ryukishi doesn’t know this.




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  7. Nerem says:
    I always liked Gohda, and these scenes were part of it. He was the outsider who wasn’t super loved by the others, but damn if he didn’t immediately want to charge in to rescue the kids the moment he realized they might be alone with the killer.



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    1. Heatth says:

      Yeah. Gohda is an asshole, but he is not evil. He will try to do the right thing even if the situation is dangerous. The treats Shannon and Kanon like crap, but he would try to protect them if it comes to that.




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      1. Act says:

        Gohda is also super concerned with appearances and, I think, very conscious of his status as an ‘outsider’ among the servants. He doesn’t handle it well, but I think it’s also understandable that it would make him prickly and combatative.




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