Dresden Files Inequity

So last time I talked about magic in a world that’s otherwise ours, and how it’s extremely difficult to make work. Today I’ll tackle a similarly difficult thing:

“It’s not that the book is sexist, it’s just the character is.”

So, how can you do this?

I think the best method here is to make Harry’s sexism out of step with current sexism. As a corollary, current sexism should still be present, just alien to Harry. Failing the second half gives you a story acting as if only the archaic cartoon version counts as sexism.

It’s not impossible to have a first person narrator without the narration endorsing the character’s views, but it’s pretty close to it when it’s supposed to be a minor quirk rather than the focus and it’s a common viewpoint. Harry’s sexism will be noticeable to the reader because it’s now not in line with how anyone these days thinks, while current sexism is made noticeable because it’s noticeable to Harry.

How should we start? Well, the first thing to come to mind is Harry needs a bigger stick up his ass about prostitution.

Right now we have a much friendlier view of it, but it’s an entirely selfish view – Harry’s actions seem to run on the basis he’s okay with tapping that himself and who even cares enough about prostitutes to work up the energy to disapprove. So let’s invert it. Instead of not caring overmuch about the unwed sex but also not caring much about the prostitutes’ very lives, Harry is really uptight about interacting with them but sincerely concerned about their wellbeing. Instead of the narrative saying that prostitutes are sad orgasm junkies, have Harry assume they must be secretly miserable and act like this while the women in question aren’t.

It’s sort of like how Rorschach said sexist shit, but he also went after rapists and not prostitutes, which is why he was a good character while Harry would hem and haw about how he guessed that rape was bad maybe if it actually happened and also it could’ve been an honest mistake you know, why there was this one time he just happened to have magic roofies out and…

We end up with a Harry who’s really patronizing but sincerely well-meaning. The main problem with this is usually that the average person should get this worn away by exposure to other people, but Harry’s social skills are a lot like a swimming sloth – the motions are very broadly the right ones, and maybe it’ll get somewhere one day. Non-sloth-metaphorically, Harry spent a lot of his teenage years isolated and spent the next few years on the fringes of normal society. (I’m thinking he also picked up a nice *ism sprinkle from his post-apprentice time spending a year or so living in ultra cheap housing surrounded by angry old men who weren’t married and for good reason.) And having this be blatant and stated outright rather than constant bubbling subtext through Harry’s head allows other characters to react to it and challenge it.

I’m thinking wizards and witches have separate traditions – I don’t generally like that idea much, but it seems like the best fit here for how Harry says all sorts of bullshit about witches, doesn’t seem to know anything about them, and repeatedly says wizards as a group don’t have much experience with women. I also like it better than that women are second-class magic users who are so rare and inconsequential we’re otherwise ignored in this story. We can explain the fact his teacher had a female student too as anything from the two groups occasionally raising each other’s newbies (if magic user population is low enough, you might not always have someone from your group who can handle a newbie, OR the groups may have divided up territory so that entire states belong to one or the other, and they’re then responsible for training newbies until they’re adults and can leave for the other group) to the teacher going against tradition, since the guy also apparently did evil magic so I don’t think he cared much about rules. There’s also the possibility apprenticing is practiced pretty much always as a predatory thing – in fine wizard tradition, sometimes old guys pick up impressionable teenage girls to live in their homes and learn their mystic wisdom for exactly the same reason as old guys always do, and Harry’s knowledge of “witches” is stories about the ones who make it out alive, usually burning everything behind them. I’m not really a fan of things always sucking for women, so let’s just assume female magic users do the same sort of thing to young men and pass around stories about warlocks. Both groups assume the other one is a bunch of oath-breaking teacher-murdering nutjobs and so don’t have anything to do with each other.

This sort of backstory changes a lot about Harry’s assumption that heartsplosion = witch. If the two magic user groups don’t touch each other’s people, that could cut out the problem early on of Harry never thinking it’s weird a wizard would do this despite knowing it’ll get Morgan to plunge all his naked steel through the guy’s vulnerable body. The council could theoretically go after a witch, but only in self-defense, they’re not going to touch her for breaking their laws and no one’s going to get concerned about evil magic because witches are all black magic hatemonsters and the council is happy so long as they just leave the wizards alone and don’t blow up anything obvious.

(Ooh, here’s an idea – of Harry’s supporters for his self-defense, a lot of them assume that his teacher was corrupted by trying to teach a woman. Having that sort of thing as your friends’ views would do a lot to mess up Harry, even if he believed that in this particular case, she was corrupted by her teacher going corrupt. Perhaps Harry even views himself as super progressive because he doesn’t think women are innately evil, he just thinks they’re delicate and weak willed and easy prey for evil to corrupt and none of them can safely do magic, but it’s really not their fault, it’s just their nature to need strong men to keep them away from all this scary magic business. And maybe this is where the traditions about magic murder being okay in self-defense really come from, you get the occasional new wizard running to the council after murdering his witch teacher, and there’s prejudice against woman’s magic so they have someone follow him around a while to make sure he’s not doing evil womanly arts. The reason everyone’s so leery at Harry is that he killed a wizard, and the rule wasn’t actually meant for that.)

However, this is urban fantasy, so it’s supposed to relate to the real world, and the real world has sexism. So we could also say that magic ability is gender-neutral, but the only wizard body is male. This isn’t compatible with the setting we have, because even if wizards are sexist there’s still the fact a witch is objectively better than a muggle, but it is very compatible with the setting I outlined in the previous post, where magic swings in and out. During the magic periods, magic users become the ruling class and magic/nonmagic is the major division. But during the non-magic periods, the people best able to survive and pass on their knowledge, as well as have the resources needed to pull off the few spells that still work, are the rich white dudes.

If you’re marginalized, you don’t have basic protections against people lynching you on the basis of a feeling. You don’t have a giant castle to hide your magic paraphernalia. You definitely lack an easy way of hiding the bodies should you try any sort of blood magic. And perhaps most importantly, because you’re in a situation where you actually need magic, you’re going to use it and end up caught, while the baron over there is just doing it as a hobby, probably not getting any noticeable benefit, and can always stop any time people are sniffing around.

Real world history tells us that helping people with your magic absolutely wouldn’t save you. If the baron’s men show up and order you to heal him, and you do, next week the church officials show up and the fact the baron isn’t dead proves you’re a witch. Refuse to help? Witch. Did something and he died? Witch. Only people who were in the castles and employing the guys with pointy metal are going to survive.

So our wizard council that seems to be primarily European flavored with a dash of Wicca? It’s because the only surviving wizard traditions were ones passed along rich and powerful lines there. There’s presumably a few other lines surviving in other parts of the world, but the whole colony business did a lot to stamp them out. Everybody else for the past couple hundred/thousand years has been freakishly talented peasants and women stealing scraps of knowledge from their betters and often doing a good deal of damage (it’s like they had some sort of grudge or something) before being stamped out.

The reason the main division is wizard/witch and not white guy/black guy is simply that a majority of wizards aren’t gay and keep having sex with women so the women have opportunities to learn bits about magic and suddenly witches, while it’s easier to not make friends with non-white people.

Despite this view, they also don’t like to actually do anything with non-affiliated members, because in past ages you had to be freakishly talented to get anywhere without teaching and so the policy is to just give them a wide berth and hope whatever violent end they come to doesn’t damage any of your stuff.

(Which brings up another point: Harry should also be racist, both because it’s not fair only women suffer and also because the book already kind of is. Having the villain be a black guy would obviously  be a horrible idea, and most other ones still have bad connotations when it’s a guy trying to get wealthy via illegal means, but it might be fun to have him be, say, Chinese, and Harry completely registers the fact the husband fits the profile of talented amateur but is sure it can’t be him because everyone knows the yellow race are an indolent, dying breed incapable of innovation, and then when he expresses his surprise later Murphy just stares at him for ten minutes because what the hell Harry could you at least be racist in a way that makes sense?)

Anyway, Harry has no interest in going to the council because he figures they know but they’ll just say witches are outside their jurisdiction and if she wants to blow up two people, whatever. It’s only when Morgan shows up to accuse him and he’s all “wtf hello IT WAS A WITCH” that he learns there’s no known witches around (and boy does the council keep track of that) and whoever did it is someone unofficial. Morgan then insists it was Harry as Harry works for the police and the victims were a mobster’s bodyguard and a vampire’s prostitute.

Huh? says Harry.

I have no idea how modern society works but all those things have some sort of connection so I’m assuming you did it, Morgan explains. Also, everyone knows new witches cause a range of chaos instead of just one heartsplosion because magic is powered by emotion and women are crazy emotional creatures with no self-control.

Oh right, says Harry, and they brofist or whatever over how rational they are.

It’s only after this Harry even bothers trying to do the math himself, because he was previously handwaving the amount of power to heartsplode as a witch thing, but if Morgan’s right and it was a wizard, he’s not sure how that’d even be possible as wizard magic (which is actually identical to witch magic, but Harry assumes otherwise because it involves math and stuff). When he gets back that it’s impossible, we get the book’s bit of him being muddled and having no idea what to do next, because he feels he’s ruled out a witch being around but also ruled out a wizard being able to do it. The idea of multiple people doing the spell doesn’t occur to him until he reports to Murphy and she asks about how to get this much power, because he’s been assuming that either way it has to be an amateur so they shouldn’t know other people. No one realizes it’s possible to use muggles to help power spells because pre-magic-return, it basically wasn’t.

Hm. Oh, also maybe the reason Morgan blames him for the demon is that he thinks Harry summoned it precisely because he was trying to look like a victim, especially since it comes right after Morgan says he’s onto Harry.

I mean, the idea he summoned and lost control of it has a lot of flaws. But the idea he set up this situation to look like he was vulnerable, just happening to be attacked while someone else was over (Morgan’s stalking likely has him well aware this doesn’t happen often) who just happened to accidentally get poisoned and collapse helpless and needing Harry to save her, was visibly defenseless what with being naked, and just happened to be chased outside so it’d be easy to see only to suddenly figure out how to stop the demon…it still requires a determination to assume Harry’s evil, but it doesn’t require you ignore any other part.

If we assume black magic = witch, as well as Harry’s general situation of murdering a wizard being something more usually done by female apprentices, then you could do something where the council views Harry as kind of effeminate and he gets hit by those stereotypes about being evil and tricky. (Maybe naked and chased by demons is considered a common cliche for witches pretending to be innocent, even. I’d definitely expect some gay panic among the wizards given how they view women, so perhaps there’s a defined male subtype of the general female tempress.) This could then feed into how Harry keeps trying to assert himself as alpha male – the most obnoxious part of that currently is how he seems the only one playing the game. If the other wizards put him down as not a real man, I could see him developing a complex from that and then trying to assert himself toward everyone.

Anyway. All this is different enough from standard prejudices that it’s easy to keep from endorsing it in the narration, and it’s also different enough to be less unpleasant to read. It even gives Harry actual chivalry and not his I OPEN DOORS FOR YOU BECAUSE I KNOW YOU HATE IT bullshit.

Oh yeah and Bob the Rapist Skull is inherited from the wizard and always wants terrible things. Harry the actual magic geek writes down every spell the skull tells him and does his best to try to work things out on his own, and usually barters for a week to get a new potion recipe when he wants one until he’s talked the skull down to Shades of Grey style stuff. The love potion still happens (all bad things with Bob happen when Harry needs something and Bob knows it), but Harry is actually disgusted rather than mildly disapproving of the effort, and Bob spends the next couple days trying to tempt him into using it or selling it for cash. Harry also doesn’t leave it out – but Bob directs Rodriguez to it when she comes down looking for the escape potion.

This alone would show Harry is a basically decent person surrounded by terrible influences.

Also, maybe play up the stakes Harry lets Bob out over – like, Bob demands a week, Harry says twelve hours, Bob says Harry’s got to agree or Harry and his girlfriend die horribly, Harry says he knows what Bob could do with a week and he’d rather just two people die.

Hm. And maybe Morgan fits into this as well. Morgan thinks Harry’s scum just for keeping the skull…refusing to consider the position Harry’s in as an untrained wizard with no other source for magic. Refusing to consider just why witches so inevitably turn on whatever man teaches them. (And everyone knows they’re so manipulative, and listening to Eve was Adam’s mistake. Morgan is proud to go years at a time without hearing a woman speak.) Refusing to consider how, in general, the way the council’s set up isn’t about stopping black magic but preserving the existing power structure. Morgan really does care about the abuses of black magic, he really does want to help people, but the things he believes are true don’t match the world, so he finds himself stalking an innocent person and threatening them with death every few minutes, all while Harry actually helps people.

But maybe that’s who Morgan used to be. If Harry keeps trying to fit in with the few friendly wizards, keeps salving his pride by thinking how magic means he’s just so much better than other people, gives up on trying to fit into the mundane world and focuses on issues the council cares about… Right now what keeps him from completely accepting the council’s ideas is his resentment over how they treated him. But he seems to accept their rules are basically right, and he certainly wants to prove himself to them enough that they don’t kill him, and doing stuff like putting his name in the phonebook seem more like teenage rebellion than a real rejection of what they stand for. There’s different kinds of temptations. The skull is easy to see. It’s the other stuff that’s the real danger.

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  1. Keleri says:
    (takes notes)

    “what the hell Harry could you at least be racist in a way that makes sense?”

    pffffff I’ve been reading through some of the old Conan stories lately and the narration is full of heavy-handed racist generalizations like this, it would be satisfying to see that trope played for absurdity once in a while instead of just an excuse for the author to pretend that they have an Unreliable Narrator.

    There’s some serial fiction going around tumblr called The Turn of the Story that has an elf character from a matriarchal society, and I never stopped cackling at her sexist generalizations.

    I’m still angry at Pat Rothfuss’ “matriarchal” “ninja” society where pretty much everything about the culture still revolved around male sexuality and was a giant Author Appeal arc in a novel full of Author Appeal.




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    1. illhousen says:
      “I’m still angry at Pat Rothfuss’ “matriarchal” “ninja” society where
      pretty much everything about the culture still revolved around male
      sexuality and was a giant Author Appeal arc in a novel full of Author
      Appeal.”

      That’s a problem with fictional matriarchal societies in general. They tend to be very over the top compared to how gender is treated in reality, so instead of “see? That’s how the world looks like from the other side of sexism” message we have either “them women, right? Can’t let them be in charge if we don’t want to live in a dystopia” or “yes, punish me more, mistress” depending on author’s fetishes.

      The best matriarchal society I’ve seen would be the hyenas tribe from web-comic Digger. Which is… mostly a normal hunter-gatherers tribe (with some additional stuff due to fantasy nature) where gender roles just happened to be reversed.




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      1. Roarke says:
        The Adem were weird. A lot about The Kingkiller Chronicles was weird. And extremely elitist. Like it’s not just the main character. It’s one of my gripes about the book.



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        1. illhousen says:
          I tried to read The Name of the Wind, but stopped when I realized protagonist’s specialness is not some clever narrative device with a point to it, as I tried to believe. He really is just a Mary Sue capable of learning all of the skills because.

          Also, the story really felt like a bad RPG character backstory where the player tries to justify various vastly different skills on character sheet.

          GM: So, Patric, I have a few questions about your character. I see you have a lot of skills at high levels on your sheet.
          Patric: I have enough points to buy them due to my “Arrogant”, “Kid” and “Unlucky with women” disadvantages.
          GM: That may be, but still they are very versatile. How did your character get all of them?
          Patric: Well, you see, he started as a child of traveling artists, picking up social skills and some odd ones here and there…
          GM: Traveling artists? You know, I can use them in a story…
          Patric: They are all dead.
          GM: Huh?
          Patric: Yes, killed by Chandrians.
          GM: Why would Chandrians kill them?
          Patric: The adventure is called Return of the Chandrians, right? I thought it would be a good idea to give my character a connection to them.
          GM: They aren’t supposed to appear until later… But fine, at least it’s a motivation for you to pursue them. So, anyway, let’s move on your magic skills.
          Patric: Well, you see, the troupe employed a wizard for special effects. My character became close to him and learned magic from him.
          GM: That’s actually reasonable. Magic is relatively common in this setting, so a washed-down arcanist could easily find himself among traveling artists… What’s his name, anyway?
          Patric: Bob.
          GM: …
          Patric: …
          GM: Anyway, while it’s a reasonable premise, your magic skill is too high. You can’t really pick up that much mojo in your spare time. Dedicated study is needed.
          Patric: Well, Bob-
          GM: Argh.
          Patric: -noticed my character’s talent in magic and gave him a recommendation letter to the university of magic where my character went after losing his family.
          GM: Hm, OK, and the rest of the skills?
          Patric: Well, before he went to the university he was stuck in that town, you see, because grief over losing his family was too much, so he was living on the streets…
          GM: Wouldn’t he just use basic magic to get enough money to get by?
          Patric: He didn’t like to think about anything related to the better days, so he didn’t use magic during that period, either.

          And so on. There is no connection between parts of the book – plot-wise or thematic. Events just happen and then we move on to next events. it’s a very frustrating and boring read.




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          1. SpoonyViking says:
            Emphasis on “boring” on my part. Such a huge-ass book where so little – if anything – happens! I love reading, but I draw a line at words-wankery.



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            1. Wright of Void says:
              Oh man, Name of the Wind. Yes, that was such a mess. Pacing and coherent plotting appear to be totally alien concepts to Rothfuss. And the Adem were really skeevy. And combined with Kvothe nobly saving the rape victims afterwards it really reeks of “look at how feminist I am~~~!”

              I actually do really like the present-day plotline, though, because you don’t often see flawed and vulnerable heroes past their prime in these sorts of stories. (Also because stuff actually happens in it.) The scene where Kvothe got the crap kicked out of him was really good, and not just because it was Kvothe getting due beatings. I’m sure the resolution will be terrible, but I’m still curious to see how it all ends.




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          2. Roarke says:
            Bwahahaha. You should have tried the second one. Not in a “it gets better” way, but in a “how long can this author keep it up” way.

            I will say though, in the books’ favor, that some characters other than the main one are cool and interesting, and the technical parts of the writing are fairly excellent. But I have to again say that the book is unforgivably elitist, which makes sense I guess as the author is writing about his college days where he was apparently some kind of superstar. I just really cannot abide it when people say “If X doesn’t move you to tears, you’re barely human.” This book will constantly say “X is a thing of ridiculous quality that most people won’t understand” followed by “If you don’t get X you’re not human.” It was a terrible struggle to keep the main character sympathetic when he kept doing that.

            Now I just really want to find out how he breaks and become an innkeeper.




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            1. Farla says:
              I will say though, in the books’ favor, that some characters other than the main one are cool and interesting

              I find that happens a lot with terrible mains. One of my guesses is that since the author doesn’t care about them, they’re free to be more than obnoxiously perfect.




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          3. Keleri says:
            Just so– even when horrible things happen to Kvothe it’s still obnoxious, because he’s a misery Sue.

            “Oh look he’s so perfect– now he gets beat up and he loses all his money and it totally balances out! EVERYONE IS SO MEEN TO ME–HIM. HIM. TO HIM.”




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            1. Roarke says:
              Actually that scene was about the one time I did legitimately feel sympathy for him, but only for one specific reason: to me, it brought back what it’s like to come back from depression.

              That scene in the second book where the soldier kicks his ass looks a lot like a real person getting a bit of his mojo back and thinking everything’s going to work out, and then the world kicks him in the balls. That’s what I felt when Kvothe decided to pick a fight with those guys instead of handing over the money like a sane person would.

              But so far very little of the stuff that’s happened inside his biography has been close to that powerful.




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    2. SpoonyViking says:
      “pffffff I’ve been reading through some of the old Conan stories lately and the narration is full of heavy-handed racist generalizations like this[…]”

      In the words of Big Mac: “Eeyup”.




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    3. Farla says:
      This? Because wow, so adorable.



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      1. Keleri says:
        Yeah! I enjoyed it a lot, it lampshades a lot of fantasy tropes.



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  2. Roarke says:
    Couldn’t really find a way to get a gay narrative out of this, sorry.

    I OPEN DOORS FOR YOU BECAUSE I KNOW YOU HATE IT

    It’s more like “I open doors for you and I don’t care if you hate it because this is something I do that makes me feel good.” A lot of Harry’s shit comes from him just being vastly inconsiderate rather than actively malicious, it seems. Being vastly inconsiderate can often do just as much damage as being malicious.

    What really seems kind of annoying is that the beginning of the novel didn’t establish a time frame on Harry’s Naked Sword of Damocles wizard probation. It’s like the author knew that it would be gone by the end of the book, so there was no point in saying “The White Council would deem me trustworthy after I spent X number of years keeping my head down.” It really doesn’t make sense, because Morgan has to track Harry for a long time, and surely they can’t keep Morgan on Harry’s tail forever.

    It’s this kind of detail that, while small, really changes the depiction of an important body in a book – in this case, the White Council. They have just seemed ridiculously unreasonable in this book; like, the only time they seemed pretty decent was when Morgan was trying to pin Harry for binding a faerie’s will to his own, and Harry got off on technicalities. Even then, that really speaks more for Morgan personally than it does for the Council, because they can change the law; Morgan is just interpreting it, and he’s clearly wrong in his interpretation because it would kill Harry, the best wizard ever written in a noirrative. It’s painted like Morgan is interpreting the law progressively only because he’d get to kill Harry for it, and it implies he’d go right back to not caring about Fae rights once he’d sated his naked sword.




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    1. Farla says:
      It’s more like “I open doors for you and I don’t care if you hate it because this is something I do that makes me feel good.”

      Not the case for door thing in specific. He goes out of his way to sprint for doors ahead of Murphy. He never makes a big deal with any of the other women, so it’s because she hates it.




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      1. Roarke says:
        I mean yeah, he never makes a big deal because the other women are letting him open doors/pull out chairs or whatever. Remember how you said that the women of the book play to Harry’s script to different degrees? Murphy plays to it the least, with good reason, but I’m pretty sure as far as Dresden is concerned he’s doing it in spite of her hating it, not because she hates it. He’s just sticking to the script, in which he only has about five lines and five stage directions.

        Like, that whole “I know what’s good for you better than you do” is different from “I do things you hate because I enjoy them.” It’s still condescending as fuck and I consider Murphy within her rights to stomp on his foot as she walks through the door, but I don’t quite see Harry enjoying her suffering exactly.




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  3. sliz225 says:
    Archaically sexist Harry would be some much fun to write.
    Harry: “Murphy, don’t look! Your delicate, feminine sensibilities couldn’t handle it.”
    Murphy: [peering around him] “What? It’s just heartsplosions, Harry. You do remember that I’m a cop, ri–urk! Why are you grabbing me?”
    Harry: “I’m trying to catch you and lower you gently to the ground. I know the gruesome scene will give you the vapors any second. There isn’t a fainting couch handy, and I didn’t want you to swoon into the dirt.”
    Murphy: [shaking herself free] “Jesus fuckin’ Christ, Harry, I’m not swooning.”
    Harry: “A–a LADY swearing?” [Harry swoons]



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    1. Roarke says:
      Their first meeting would be even better.
      Murphy: Harry Dresden, Wizard, I presume?
      Harry: Yes, dear lady, that is I. [grabs her hand and kisses it sloppily] How may I assist you on this fine day?
      Murphy: [looks around office for a box of tissues] I’m a detective with the Chicago Paranormal Investigations Unit. I need your help solving a missing persons case.
      Harry: I see… [picks up phone, hits 911] Hello, yes, operator? There seems to be a woman impersonating a policeman in my office.



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      1. sliz225 says:
        Murphy: [to criminal] “You’re under arrest.”
        Harry: “Now, now. I think this little ‘I’m a lady-cop’ joke has gone on long enough, Murphy. Step aside and let one of the real cops perform the arrest.”
        Murphy: “For the last time, Dresden, I’m actually a cop.”
        Harry: [laughing heartily] “Sure you are, sure you are, sweetie.”
        Murphy: “Goddamnit, Dresden. Do you see my badge and gun?”
        Harry: “Gasp! Who let you near a firearm. Quickly, my dear, allow me to remove the dangerous weapon from your person.”
        Murphy: “Touch it and I punch you.”
        Harry: [doubling over in laughter] “Ah, another clever joke. As though a member of the fairer sex would stoop to physical violence. Ahahaha . . .”
        Murphy: “. . . . You’re lucky you’re useful, Dresden.”
        (PS: If anyone cares, my username used to be Sarah White until I changed it a week or so ago, so I’ve been posting here awhile.)



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        1. Roarke says:
          I don’t particularly care, but I was wondering why Sarah White’s comments were suddenly sliz225. But yeah I knew you were the same person, if only because I’m not about to forget the person I dropped a MorganxHarry fanfic on.



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  4. SpoonyViking says:
    On the other hand, Farla, wouldn’t that risk showing old-fashioned sexism as admirable by contrasting it with the really fucked-up sexism?



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    1. illhousen says:
      Not if you show that holding those believes causes Harry to constantly misjudge people and create communication problems where there shouldn’t be any.

      Obviously, it requires subtlety and craft to pull off.




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    2. Farla says:
      Only if the old-fashioned sexism was softballed – there’s plenty of fucked up stuff there (the spanking stuff alone), and there’s modern sexism that’s not really fucked up but would still stand out to someone not familiar with it.

      (I mean, for one example, it used to be inappropriate for anyone to go around without a shirt on. Harry could be find the idea of only women having to cover their chests a double standard while seeing no problem with lowered wages because of course men can do better work and what do women really need salaries for anyway?)




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      1. SpoonyViking says:
        I see, I see.



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