Halloween Carapaces Part 4

Up to March 30th and page 80!

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10179357/1/Be-The-Worthless-Imp (OC)

This really isn’t a story so much as a couple lines that abruptly cut off.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10182135/3/Short-Homestuck-Entries

This is really not a story. It’s a forum post.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10240776/1/Loyally-His-Slave-Til-Death (FOC (Calliope, Snowman, Caliborn))

That person doing charxreader ficcies.

Hm. Well, there’s characterization and detail in this one, so it’s a lot better than previously. There’s still the problem that you don’t really get into why the OC is so in love with the other character, which is a lot more of a problem given Caliborn’s general lack of positive traits make it hard to fill in the blanks. And while I like the fact she’s close to Calliope and Snowman rather than being isolated, that just makes her willingness to get herself killed for Caliborn all the stranger – if she’s been the best friend of both cherubs all her life, why is she so ready to abandon Calliope and leave her to mourn her death for the sake of letting Caliborn abuse her?

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10238897/1/DroogPickle-Moments-Left (PI (DD))

I thought this was over but it’ll never be over, will it.

A new speaker means you need to start a new paragraph.

Dialogue is written as “Hello,” she said or “Hello!” she said, never “Hello.” She said or “Hello.” she said or “Hello,” She said or “Hello” she said. The only exception to this is if the next sentence doesn’t contain a speech verb, which is a verb describing how the dialogue is said. In that case it’s written as “Hello.” She grinned, never “Hello,” she grinned or “Hello,” She grinned or “Hello.” she grinned. Note that something isn’t a speech verb just because it’s a sound you make with your mouth, so generally stuff like laughed or giggled is in the second category. Furthermore, if you’re breaking up two complete sentences it’s “Hi,” she said. “This is it.” not “Hi,” she said, “this is it.” or “Hi,” she said “this is it.” And if you’re breaking up a sentence in the middle, it’s “Hi. This,” she said, “is it.” The same punctuation and capitalization rules apply to thoughts, except you don’t use quotation marks with thoughts.

This all seems very OOC. You have them in an established relationship without a hint of how that happened, and you’re relying on fanon Pickle Inspector as stuttering doormat who apparently has no problem with the fact his boyfriend is a mass murderer, while Droog is uncharacteristically open and you’re acting like he’s in some noble conflict about “protecting what I cherish most” when that just means Droog values money most because that’s what a heist is, they try to rob places of money and things so that the money and things become theirs. When the sole conflict of the fic is that Droog might get himself killed in an assault on someone else for the purpose of stealing other people’s stuff, oh noes, it’s really hard to care about Droog’s impending death or even Pickle Inspector being sad about it, because no halfway sympathetic person would care more about the asshole planning to murder people to get their stuff over the murder victims whose crime was having that stuff.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10238914/1/DroogxPickle-Sleep (DD (PI))

Same sort of thing but from DD’s POV.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10250061/1/Fanfiction (Dirk (Jane, Jake))

[It is the final chapter of Jake’s fanfic, and every. Single. Comma. Is in place.
Dirk just kind of stares at the paper, completely dumbfounded, “You know how to use commas.”
“I…” Jake falters. “I’ve known how to use commas for a while now. Taught myself after chapter five, actually.”
He’s on chapter seventeen now.
“I… see…” Dirk isn’t quite sure what to say.
Jake gulps, “Please don’t be mad at me. I only left them out because I was afraid you’d stop betaing for me.”]

See, this just makes me think of the Simpsons and how when Homer tried that in high school, Marge was understandably furious. Isn’t there some less cliche and less inconsiderate way of setting up a minor reveal? It’s particularly odd given you have them chatting about all sorts of stuff besides his one fic, so it’s not like that’s his only excuse to talk.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10251066/1/Droog-x-Pickle-Follow-Me-Into-Death (DD (SS, PI))

You have got to work harder on plotting and characterization. This is simply awful. Slick decides he’s mad at PS for some reason, so PI has to die, and obviously Droog is an obedient automaton who can’t so much as think of arguing, so he’s forced to carry this out without so much as a “Wouldn’t it make more sense to break PS’s legs if he’s the one you’re mad at?” No, Robot Droog goes right to it, without even knowing what the guy looks like because he’s also an idiot. But contrivance says that PI then walks right into him and introduces himself while adding he’s a huge fan, because if there was one thing the Problem Sleuth comic was about, it was how all three of them are such huge fans of mobsters. Anyway, therefore they’re in love and so go on a date to see Romeo and Juliet because of course they do, and then PI shoots him before he can shoot and then they commit suicide together and you know I take it back, that really is about precisely as meaningful a love story as two dumbass teens insisting they’re in true love after knowing the other person for five minutes and then committing joint suicide mostly by accident.

There’s no real reason for any of the plot – you don’t go through the effort of giving a legitimate reason they can’t be together, like, say, that PI and company were actually working to stop the Midnight Crew. You don’t even try to explain why either of them is in love, instead having them both announce it as if that’s enough. Then they die together for no reason – given Slick specified killing PI immediately and yet Droog went out that morning and got to spend the night on a date without Slick once wondering what was taking so long, so Slick doesn’t seem to even remember he gave the order by the end of the day’s murder-suicide.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10251075/1/Droog-x-Pickle-St-Valentine-s-Day (DD (PI))

[I usually understand Valentine’s to be a holiday where women crave sex. All of the loose sexual events of this holiday seemed to be the same the more I had them. It’s all women wanted when they were around me. Sex and my money. None of them cared to get to know me. Then I met my newest lover, a bumbling agent named Pickle Inspector. ]

Oh christ now we’re adding misogyny to this.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10254478/1/Crowbar-x-Die-Apology (Die, Crowbar (Itchy))

[Rated T because it’s SLASH. MALE X MALE. ]

Would you stop doing this? No one would up a rating because a pair was heterosexual, and saying gay stuff is inherently mature and something that needs to be hidden from kiddies is saying homosexuality is inherently worse than heterosexuality.

Also centering all your text is a nightmare to read.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10254487/1/Crowbar-x-Die-Crowbar-Hates-Valentines (Crowbar (FOC, Die))

More terribleness.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10254534/1/Spades-Slick-x-Problem-Sleuth-A-Problematic-Love-Pt-1 (PS (PI, Snowman))

Not sure why you’ve labeled your story “Pt 1” when you’re not allowed to post separate chapters.

[Pickle seemed to be looking at Sleuth to check if it was a good idea to be a detective and be in love with a mobster. It didn’t take a genius to figure it wasn’t, but Pickle looked so hopeful that Sleuth couldn’t say anything. He didn’t want to lose Pickle’s friendship…the ONE thing of Pickle’s he possesses.]

This really doesn’t make PS look very good. He’s talking about friendship as a possession, and he’s saying he’s encouraging PI to do something he knows is a terrible idea on that basis, rather than it actually being a good thing for PI.

And…now Snowman (no, it’s not Sn0wman why would it be?) is either metaphorically or literally a wish-granting demon who tricks people into making deals, because I guess she’s totally helpless to fuck up Slick’s day on her own, but can trick people like PS, who have the power to actually do things, into doing that. Also either PS no longer possesses a brain or Snowman’s magic demon powers are keeping him from remembering she hates Slick.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9997753/1/Piano-Man (Karkat (John))

Write out numbers with letters.

Dialogue is written as “Hello,” she said or “Hello!” she said, never “Hello.” She said or “Hello.” she said or “Hello,” She said or “Hello” she said. The only exception to this is if the next sentence doesn’t contain a speech verb, which is a verb describing how the dialogue is said. In that case it’s written as “Hello.” She grinned, never “Hello,” she grinned or “Hello,” She grinned or “Hello.” she grinned. Note that something isn’t a speech verb just because it’s a sound you make with your mouth, so generally stuff like laughed or giggled is in the second category. Furthermore, if you’re breaking up two complete sentences it’s “Hi,” she said. “This is it.” not “Hi,” she said, “this is it.” or “Hi,” she said “this is it.” And if you’re breaking up a sentence in the middle, it’s “Hi. This,” she said, “is it.” The same punctuation and capitalization rules apply to thoughts, except you don’t use quotation marks with thoughts.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9997753/2/Piano-Man (John, Karkat (MOCs))

[only his head wasn’t buried in his old pillow that smelled like Jade – she’d crawled into bed with him enough times after nightmares for her scent to just sort of stay there]

Yeah at their age there really isn’t any good explanation for his bed smelling like his sibling.

And now the other thugs are going to beat John up not only for no reason, but in fact in express violation of their boss’ wishes, apparently just so Karkat can present himself as less evil.

[we was just roughing him up a little, no big deal Kitten” The second sneered, knowing that he’d pushed a sensitive button using that infernal nickname some of them had deemed him.]

Aside from this being so awkwardly worded, wtf Kitten? Why not Crabby or something?

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand now Karkat’s taking off the blindfold and then identifying himself by name while cleaning John up. How incompetent can he get?

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9997753/3/Piano-Man (Karkat (Slick, John))

[How long am I gonna be here?” Karkat cringed when slick turned to face the boy, then he watched as he made his way to john – well he knew it was gonna happen, so Karkat shouldn’t care; the kid deserved it for speaking out of turned – and Karkat inwardly rolled his eyes, but looked away as he heard the sharp crack of slicks had making contact with his face, hard; followed by the now familiar cry of pain from john.]

You desperately need a beta reader. Your grammar seems to be just getting worse.

Also, better plotting. Why isn’t he blindfolded? They cared enough to put one on initially, but no one’s managed the effort of retying it, even though you spend a paragraph on Karkat saying he really wishes John’s eyes were covered. Why can’t Karkat just tie the knot himself?

[They’d even dated for a time, after Karkat had come out of the closet. Though, they’d ended their relationship four months in on mutual terms and were still good friends and occasional fuck buddies when Sollux’s bisexual tendencies got the better of him and Eridan was in a bad mood.]

Okay, so what you appear to have just said is that bisexuals are sluts because obviously simply being attracted to more than one gender is impossible and they’re just doing it because they’re so sex-obsessed they’re willing to fuck anything. What the fuck is wrong with you.

Fun fact: as all of Homestuck tumbls, this person does as well, illustrating how social justice is more interested in devouring its own tail than dealing with actual problems.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10157537/1/Schrei (Kanaya (Porrim, Rose, MOC))

[The summer night was warm and warranted her trademark backless black dress. The dress made a show of the large black dragon tattoo on her back.]
[She had a katana on her thigh and knives in her boots.]

She sounds utterly ridiculous. Also, unless she regularly screws up enough that it’s a foregone conclusion lots of enemies will be directly behind her in prime backstab position, a tattoo there isn’t going to be particularly noticeable.

[Remembering the gasp, Kanaya turned toward the metal door. Clearly someone was behind it. Kanaya sheathed her sword as she approached it. Any human would have a struggle pushing it off of them but this person seemed to not be trying at all. Kanaya pushed over the door and it landed with a loud bang. There was a blonde chained to the wall. The bang of the door did not stir her. Kanaya realized that when she kicked in the door it must’ve knocked her out. The blonde was beautiful. She looked worn. She must’ve been chained to the wall for a couple of days. Being in a gracious mood from finding her sister, Kanaya removed the blonde from the wall and took her home.]

Okay, so Kanaya apparently slammed this extremely heavy door into this person, but somehow it knocked her out without, say, smashing all her teeth, breaking her jaw and crushing her ribs. The girl has merely been hit so hard she’s unconscious, which is moderately bad in itself and ungraded to probably fatal now that it’s lasted more than thirty seconds.

It’s unclear if she is on the floor attached to the wall by chains or hung on the wall by chains – both seem to have about as many problems with her surviving this. Anyway, this person who must have at least some broken bones from the door and definitely brain damage from the fact she’s still unconscious, plus no mention of if she’s had any food or water recently, is “graciously” not taken to a hospital like she so obviously should’ve been.

If you really must have this trope, having Rose remain conscious long enough to say something about not wanting to go to a hospital for some reason would be marginally more acceptable. Failing that, having her be unconscious for any reason other than a heavy metal door impacting her fragile human skull would be wise. And even then, dumping her in a guest bed and fucking off without even checking on her condition is a terrible idea.

Dialogue is written as “Hello,” she said or “Hello!” she said, never “Hello.” She said or “Hello.” she said or “Hello,” She said or “Hello” she said. The only exception to this is if the next sentence doesn’t contain a speech verb, which is a verb describing how the dialogue is said. In that case it’s written as “Hello.” She grinned, never “Hello,” she grinned or “Hello,” She grinned or “Hello.” she grinned. Note that something isn’t a speech verb just because it’s a sound you make with your mouth, so generally stuff like laughed or giggled is in the second category. Furthermore, if you’re breaking up two complete sentences it’s “Hi,” she said. “This is it.” not “Hi,” she said, “this is it.” or “Hi,” she said “this is it.” And if you’re breaking up a sentence in the middle, it’s “Hi. This,” she said, “is it.” The same punctuation and capitalization rules apply to thoughts, except you don’t use quotation marks with thoughts.

Don’t capitalize random words.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10264166/1/Daddy-s-Good-Girl (Droog (Aradia))

Dialogue is written as “Hello,” she said or “Hello!” she said, never “Hello.” She said or “Hello.” she said or “Hello,” She said or “Hello” she said. The only exception to this is if the next sentence doesn’t contain a speech verb, which is a verb describing how the dialogue is said. In that case it’s written as “Hello.” She grinned, never “Hello,” she grinned or “Hello,” She grinned or “Hello.” she grinned. Note that something isn’t a speech verb just because it’s a sound you make with your mouth, so generally stuff like laughed or giggled is in the second category. Furthermore, if you’re breaking up two complete sentences it’s “Hi,” she said. “This is it.” not “Hi,” she said, “this is it.” or “Hi,” she said “this is it.” And if you’re breaking up a sentence in the middle, it’s “Hi. This,” she said, “is it.” The same punctuation and capitalization rules apply to thoughts, except you don’t use quotation marks with thoughts.

This is really OOC. Pick characters a kink makes sense for, or if you really want particular characters, go through the effort of finding a way to fit the kink to them rather than just that Aradia suddenly decides to play out a porno with Droog, and for some reason he has morals for maybe thirty seconds.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10267750/1/A-Troll-Human-and-a-Cherub-Troll (Cronus (Calliope))

Write out numbers with letters.

Dialogue is written as “Hello,” she said or “Hello!” she said, never “Hello.” She said or “Hello.” she said or “Hello,” She said or “Hello” she said. The only exception to this is if the next sentence doesn’t contain a speech verb, which is a verb describing how the dialogue is said. In that case it’s written as “Hello.” She grinned, never “Hello,” she grinned or “Hello,” She grinned or “Hello.” she grinned. Note that something isn’t a speech verb just because it’s a sound you make with your mouth, so generally stuff like laughed or giggled is in the second category. Furthermore, if you’re breaking up two complete sentences it’s “Hi,” she said. “This is it.” not “Hi,” she said, “this is it.” or “Hi,” she said “this is it.” And if you’re breaking up a sentence in the middle, it’s “Hi. This,” she said, “is it.” The same punctuation and capitalization rules apply to thoughts, except you don’t use quotation marks with thoughts.

You know, I can see what you were going for here, but it’s really rushed and little of Cronus’ character actually comes through – he seems mostly there to just be accepting. If he actually acted like this, he wouldn’t be so desperate for a relationship in the first place.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10228641/1/Atta-girl (DD (Aradia, Slick))

Look, if you want to do Midnight Crew raising baby trolls, you really have to put effort into why they’re doing it, otherwise you end up with this, where they’re so OOC that it’s no longer the Midnight Crew being involved. Why does Droog care if this red wiggly thing lives? Why is Slick even bothering with his when he’s even saying here he doesn’t want it? Also, why on earth are they trying to bottlefeed autonomous grubs? It should be really obvious these things aren’t fed by a lactating mother.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10228641/2/Atta-girl

Sollux was the one harassed by hearing the soon to be dead. Aradia was a thrall to the voices of the dead because she was dead. Alive-Aradia was a happy, non-gothy kid.

You seem to just be having Aradia run into random problems so Droog can be sad at them and then suddenly Aradia gets over it.

OC
FOC (Calliope, Snowman, Caliborn)
PI (DD)
DD (PI)
Dirk (Jane, Jake)
DD (SS, PI)
DD (PI)
Die, Crowbar (Itchy)
Crowbar (FOC, Die)
PS (PI, Snowman)
Karkat, John(Slick, MOC)
Kanaya (Porrim, Rose, MOC)
Droog (Aradia)

16 Comments

  1. illhousen says:
    [I usually understand Valentine’s to be a holiday where women crave sex. All of the loose sexual events of this holiday seemed to be the same the more I had them. It’s all women wanted when they were around me. Sex and my money. None of them cared to get to know me. Then I met my newest lover, a bumbling agent named Pickle Inspector. ]

    What the fuck I just read.

    And why can’t I punch people through the Internet?

  2. SoxyOutfoxing says:
    That’s the second grotesquely biphobic thing I’ve read today. The other was a fashion designer saying in an interview she didn’t ID as bisexual because it sounded so “promiscuous and greedy and selfish” Obviously I don’t want to tell people how to identify, but really? Those are your reasons?

    Why do people react like that to bisexuality?

    1. illhousen says:
      Bisexuals are attacked from both sides: certain straight people hate them for the usual homophobic reasons (and accusations of promiscuity are aimed at homosexuals as well. I’ve seen people talking about how gays don’t form lasting relationships. Less so in recent times, I think) and certain gay people hate them for being able to “pass” for straight.

      I’ve heard that bisexual are also more likely to settle down with a partner of opposite sex – which makes sense since it’s much easier someone of opposite sex interested in you as well as more socially acceptable, and no one wants to deal with bigotry if they don’t have to – which led to bisexuals having a reputation of “users” who fool around with homosexual relationships before moving on and leaving them behind.

      The latter also leads to bisexuals not having as much vocal support, which makes them a more acceptable target in the eyes of bigots, as well as allowing the media to portray them in negative light without too many protests.

      Long story short, a lot of crap is the reason.

      1. Farla says:
        I’ve seen people talking about how gays don’t form lasting relationships. Less so in recent times, I think)

        Oh, that used to be huge. It’s because of gay marriage it’s died down. The reasoning used to be that gay people didn’t care about commitment because they didn’t get married, which they technically couldn’t do, therefore they slept around constantly and had no interest in doing anything else.

        1. Roarke says:
          Nothing was stopping gay people from getting married, they just had to get over their abominable predilections and wed with someone of the opposite sex, which, historically, some did.
          edit: But in all seriousness, that was a thing some of them did, since that was a big part of “passing” for straight when bigotry was the law (and a usually violent law at that).
          1. Farla says:
            But the idea was, it was a fact they were promiscuous because it was a fact they kept sleeping with people they weren’t married to – either by marrying for some sort of gain and then cheating or by not marrying at all. Both cases proved they didn’t care about commitment and were just in it for the sex.

            After a decades-long fight over how they want to get married, it’s harder to argue.

            1. Roarke says:
              Yeah, true. But marriage itself, historically, has not really been about sex and love, so a bunch of straight people were also getting into marriages of convenience and cheating. It’s that hypocrisy that makes it really annoying. But political marriages and economic marriages were mostly made among the wealthy and powerful, so of course the rules don’t apply to them.
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    2. Farla says:
      “Sollux’s bisexual tendencies got the better of him and Eridan was in a bad mood”

      Because if people like penis/vagina, then they want to have sex involving one of those. Therefore, if bisexuals like BOTH, then they want to have sex with BOTH and so no matter which you have, they’ll inevitably cheat on you to get the lacking vagina/penis in their life because they crave vagina AND penis in their life and any monagamous relationship will only give them one. (Also all the other stuff Illhousen said.)

      That’s why Sollux’s “tendencies” mean he’s sleeping with Karkat when Eridan won’t put out. It doesn’t matter how much sex he has with Feferi, he craves male troll probably hermaphroditic organs no matter how much female troll seriously probably exactly the same organs he gets.

      1. SoxyOutfoxing says:
        I am aware of the stereotypes and all that, though I’m pretty bewildered that people are so committed believing them. I think I’m doing that delusional thing where I think people who have been stereotyped should have some perspective on stereotypes about other groups not being the one holy truth, but it doesn’t seem to work like that for lots of people. Then there’s the way “bisexuals have to be sexing both genders” conflicts with “bisexuals are actually imaginary unicorns and only monosexuals exist,” both of which seem to be taken equally seriously in certain parts of the queer community.

        Mostly I was wondering why there seems to be this new understanding that its okay to be bisexual as long as you don’t call yourself that, but then I realised ‘duh, it’s because of all those horrible associations people have attached to the word.”

        It makes me very angry.

        The idea of someone’s bisexuality getting the better of them is kinda funny though. “Urk! Being overwhelmed by ‘tendencies!’ Urge to be bisexual rising! Must go fuck appropriate body parts.”

        1. Farla says:
          Then there’s the way “bisexuals have to be sexing both genders” conflicts with “bisexuals are actually imaginary unicorns and only monosexuals exist,” both of which seem to be taken equally seriously in certain parts of the queer community.

          It’s totally compatible if you add the third item, bisexuals are super slutty. So, they’re really monosexuals (because bisexuality doesn’t exist) who are willing to have sex with someone of the wrong gender if it means they get laid, because bisexuals are sluts. To explain the cheating being mandatory as opposed to just very likely, we just have to add the caveat that, since bisexuals are secretly lying monosexuals with no standards, whoever they’re officially dating might not be the one in line with their sexuality, so of course they’ll cheat with the same/opposite gender when it becomes available since that’s the better one. So, gay community hates them assuming they’re secretly straight and will dump them for a straight person, straight community hates them because they’re gay people pretending to be straight but will cheat on them with gay people. Both communities can now simultaneously insist bisexuals will cheat on their partner while also not existing.

          See, it all makes sense if you just make a lot of assumptions and take them as fact. It’s also a great way of venting all the gay/straight community’s and insecurities with the straight/gay community at a third scapegoat.

          Mostly I was wondering why there seems to be this new understanding that its okay to be bisexual as long as you don’t call yourself that

          Though if you mean bisexual vs pansexual, I think the issue is trans issues + tumblr identity politics interacting in a really unpleasant way, with a side of popular fandom.

          1. SoxyOutfoxing says:
            Oh Farla, you always explain horrible things so well.

            I was partly thinking of the pansexual thing, yes. My best friend came out to me as pansexual I guess about five years ago now, and I had no internet at the time, so I’d never heard of it. When she explained it to me my knee-jerk reaction was “Wait, why does your sexual identity involve implying that bisexual people are all transphobic?” and I was actually quite rude to her about it. I regret that now, I’ve apologised, and like I said above, I don’t want to dictate people’s identities to them, but literally every resource I respect does point out that it is very unlikely that someone who identifies as bisexual is doing so to make it clear that they’re only into cis men and cis women.

            But I also meant the thing I’ve heard about happening in TV shows and seen in a few books, where a character acts bisexual but no one ever says the word, no matter what. This is often combined with the characters acting like an attraction to more than one gender is something anomalous and exclusive to this one person, so that if a character asks another “What is she?” while meaning sexual identity, they get a reply of “She’s Marcie,” instead of “She’s bisexual.” The typical response when creators are asked about this seems to be “Oh, they don’t feel the need to label themselves,” and fair enough, I guess, but I am pretty pro-label, and eh, I’m probably over-thinking it. It just seems slightly iffy to me.

            1. Roarke says:
              Regarding labels on TV: You are correct in your misgivings; they are intentionally refraining from using labels, because people are so used to seeing bad labels that they come to think of all labels as bad. Other media has this problem as well. The SoIaF novels say things like “X Dude is notoriously uninterested in the charms of women” and never “Lyn Corbray (just remembered his name) is gay.”

              Any time someone uses a label they’re basically inviting people to fight over that label, which can be really goddamn annoying. In a way it’s worse than censors, because it’s your audience doing it. When the people you’re trying to please get up in a froth about stuff you write, then of course you, as a professional author, will shy away from that language. It’s hilarious because GRRM will give fairly blunt narrations of rape, but I don’t think a single person has been straight-up called gay. I am not sure if that’s him trying to avoid anachronism with his labels or what, but goddamn lol.

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              1. Farla says:
                Well, SoIaF, I think, had the excuse that the setting doesn’t like gay people much, so the gay people tend not to be very out about the fact. (And so much of the politics is about family lines and the problem of bastards, and being gay largely doesn’t cause trouble – people have to marry people they don’t love regardless, and the gay guy at least isn’t producing competing heirs when he inevitably cheats on his wife.)

                It also doesn’t seem to have much concept of gay as an orientation, as opposed to an act. I think a case could be made that making your world such that they don’t have a word for the label can be an excuse to avoid using the label, though.

              2. SpoonyViking says:
                All of which (including the idea that “gay” isn’t an orientation, but something you do) lines up very well with real-world medieval worldviews. Martin definitely did his research on this topic.
            2. Farla says:
              I think pansexual might’ve evolved out of the idea of being attracted to people regardless of gender or possibly even appearance at all – I know when I first heard about it ages ago, it was a fictional character thing to mean basically that, and then at some point got into the idea that being attracted to people based on gender was inherently prejudiced, and at some point it got adopted as an actual identity for people.

              I don’t know exactly. I do know I watched this utterly ridiculous slapfight on tumblr about if some people’s favorite cis het guy was bisexual or pansexual. Original argument for bisexual was something silly taken way too seriously, then the pansexual people came in frothing about how bisexual people were horrible and didn’t like genderqueer people because that’s a third gender and bi means two and he had to be pansexual because he was a good person.

              they get a reply of “She’s Marcie,” instead of “She’s bisexual.” The typical response when creators are asked about this seems to be “Oh, they don’t feel the need to label themselves,” and fair enough, I guess, but I am pretty pro-label, and eh, I’m probably over-thinking it. It just seems slightly iffy to me.

              No, you’re right. “S/he’s just herself” is a response that usually goes with saying that this trait is super weird and unique to the character and no one else has it so stop acting like it has any connection to the real world, and a lot of the bisexual characters that do show up get treated as magical sex pixies or something, as opposed to an orientation real humans have.

              (Also agreed with Roarke that it’s a way of avoiding a fight over labels, but I think that aspect is pretty cowardly. They’ll write about it, but don’t mention it too loudly or people might notice and they’d have to deal with it, and that’s so hard!)

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              1. SoxyOutfoxing says:
                Ugh, that ‘bi means two’ crap and all that goes along with it is honestly one of my big problems with some pansexual people. If pansexual is the label you like then that is fine and dandy, but you don’t get to go around defining other people’s labels for their own sexuality so that you can feel superior. I read a thing where a bisexual person responded to that argument with “fine then, I’m attracted to two sets of things: my own gender, and other genders,” and the person they were arguing with got really angry and basically said you couldn’t have a set with more than one thing in it.

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