In which, among other things, Mr. Breasts defends himself.
Name: VillainousBlogger
Profile: http://www.fanfiction.net/u/3602676/
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Subject: re: Your review to Reunited
A response to your review at http://www.fanfiction.net/r/7724714/
Thank you for the advice. I will try to learn from these mistakes and
hopefully not make them in the future.
And I may redo this story. Like you said; not much happens but I really do
want something to happen. It would still be a one shot but it would be longer,
maybe going into more chapters.
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Name: inkShade
Profile: http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1261572/
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Subject: re: Your review to Hollow
A response to your review at http://www.fanfiction.net/r/7765341/
Hey!
Yeah I know I shouldn’t capitalize the different pokemon, it’s something I
keep telling myself not to do but somehow it keeps slipping by me. I’ll just
make a note of it and try harder to remember for next time. I’ll fix the
spelling and the apostrophe too. The dialogue will probably take a little
longer since now I have to go over everything to see how much of it I messed
up. For the ending I’ll see if there’s a better way of writing what I was
originally going for. :P
I’ll update the first chapter a little later and go over the second before I
put it up with your review in mind. Thanks!
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Name: Eneko95
Profile: http://www.fanfiction.net/u/3472991/
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Subject: re: Your review of Reshape the Past chapter 1
A response to your review at http://www.fanfiction.net/r/7772087/
I’m sorry, but I don’t think your review was very helpful. I understand that
you have problems with my writing style, and I know running through the
opening of the game is boring and unoriginal. In hindsight, I don’t even know
why I did that. But the fact remains that I did, and that’s part of the story.
And we both know that only I have ultimate control over how I choose to tell
my story.
And of course I know to capitalizing proper nouns. I simply prefer to write
Pokemon names with capitals unless they’re explicitly saying it (e.g., “Pi
pikachu!”). The same thing (sort of) applies to important non-rival NPCs and
trainer classes (which I should probably change)
The dialogue/paragraph thing…you’re right. Now that I look at it again, it
is a little clunky (and relies too much on the same few verbs, ugh). I only
put multiple speakers in the same paragraph because I, personally, don’t like
reading through a bunch of small paragraphs if what everyone’s saying is on
the same subject.
And my plot is going to take time to set up. Did Nonparael outright say at the
beginning of her Pearl run that some sort of glitchy force may or may not
control the Sinnoh Gym Leaders? Did TrainerBOB reveal any of the numerous
important twists in his Yellow run before William even got Pikachu? Most
importantly, did Ruby say anything about his character’s motivation for doing
the challenge in the first place at the beginning of the Ruby run that started
this entire genre?
No. They did not. They knew that drama needs a buildup to really work. If you
still don’t like my run…well, the internet is full of possibilities.
(PS: The Cave of Dragonflies has a very helpful reviewing guide. Take a look.
:D)
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dragonfree WHAT DID YOU DO
Name: xParanormal
Profile: http://www.fanfiction.net/u/2903809/
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Subject: re: Your review to Pokémon: The Next Generation
A response to your review at http://www.fanfiction.net/r/7772431/
Hey, I’d like to say thanks for the review, and I’m going to try harder to
improve my grammar and writing style. I very much appreciate it.
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Name: PONPONRobots
Profile: http://www.fanfiction.net/u/2877297/
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Subject: Re: Review on “Things Green Should’ve Done, But Didn’t”
A response to your review at http://www.fanfiction.net/r/7774193/
Thank you for taking time to review. I’m not sure how to reply, because I’m
honestly not sure if you mean I’m doing it right or not…? I wrote the story
with the intent of portraying Green as conflicted character that took the
wrong choice. So yes, I did want him to seem as a “loathsome human being”…
though probably not to the extent your wording might imply. Having Green
thought of it as “a childish promise” or “respect” was my way of
writing that
he’s going about the matter with all the wrong ways. But I guess I kinda
failed there.
Oh well.
Thanks again, for reviewing. I really appreciate the feedback. I’ll try better
next time.
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Sometimes people don’t get when it isn’t a matter of them not “portraying it right”. I completely understood how it was being portrayed. That was the problem.
Name: DarkAngryWolf
Profile: http://www.fanfiction.net/u/2496221/
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Subject: Thank you, and I wish for some clarification. I’m not going to mock
your points, I truly wish for a replay and some more advice.
A response to your review at http://www.fanfiction.net/r/7773549/
Thank you for the input. I’ll fix some of those mistakes, but you also made
some points I wish to defend, and I have some questions pertaining to certain
things you mentioned I couldn’t an answer to else where. Alright, all your
points:
[Never do this. You’re writing a story, not an unusually lazy script.]
I suppose groaning is a little much. I supposed I could replace the
sound-effect word with an actual narration or delete it all together.
[Don’t use quotation marks with thoughts, it makes it look like it’s spoken
aloud.]
That’s why I use italics. If I don’t use quotations, some people might confuse
it for emphasized narration instead of a current thought at the moment. It’s
how I always wrote, and I’ve seen examples in published work whenever I read a
novel.
[His name is ridiculous.]
Point taken, though I’m not changing it. Why? …because I don’t want to. Dark
is what I call myself whenever I enter a name into the games, and I wanted a
name cooler sounding than {REDACTED} (my name). You are perfectly free
to your opinion, though in mine the ridiculous or stupid is better than my
dumb name.
[You wouldn’t capitalize animal or mouse or dragon, so you shouldn’t
capitalize words like pokemon or pikachu or charizard. The only time you
should capitalize it is if you’re using it as the pokemon’s name, ie, Ash’s
pikachu is called Pikachu. This is because you only capitalize when it’s a
proper noun, which are the names of places or things. Similar reasoning should
be applied to any other words you’re thinking of capitalizing, like telephone
or trainer. Or professor.]
Well, that will be the last time I listen to Word when it comes to word it
doesn’t know. And you are right, I never really thought of it that way. the
pokemon names and pokemon itself will be changed, though I might miss one or
two mentions. Simple human error gets even the best of us. As for professor,
from what I understand you DO do that whenever it’s in front of a proper name
like Prof. Oak. Although, I imagine you are referring to the times professor
is standing on it’s own, which you probably are correct on. Thank you, grammar
was never something I grasped easily.
[This is also ridiculous. He could have spent those five years getting
experience he could then use as a researcher, but instead he’ll be starting
behind everyone else. Even if he doesn’t much want to journey, he could at
least have spent the time raising a pokemon of his own, which would still have
gotten him practice with pokemon as well as made his eventual journey much
easier.]
The time it takes to be a researcher I pulled out of my ass. Also, he spent
time at an academy. So I’ll give some in universe explanations: The academy
students have to do school work and some battle training with pokemon before
they turn ten-years-old. If they can pass their exams, both in field battle
and paper examinations, then they will receive a license to handle pokemon as
a trainer. Those that wish to to become a researcher take a second 5-year
course to become a researcher. Because they have a trainer license they can
handle pokemon, but the academy prevents you from taking gym challenges or
journeying too far from the school. He can only live in Pallet town due to
it’s short distance from the academy. So Dark did, in fact, handle and even
owns other pokemon. He has a few pokemon not trained for battle, and he fells
a fresh start with new pokemon would benefit, as he probably hasn’t handled
certain pokemon that aren’t native to he’s part of the region. As for the
5-year course, he is required to raise these pokemon and study them to test
behavior with other pokemon, humans, pokemon of different types, genders,
different species, etc. While I do have Prof. Oak saying he thinks he’s giving
them their first pokemon, he’s really not. It’s more or that it’s a tradition
for him to give a new pokemon to trainers leaving for their journey. That, and
he knows that whatever pokemon they had before wouldn’t be suited to being
thrust into battle conditions out-of-the-blue, while these pokemon have been
battling and acting more wild than the ones used for experimentation or
observation.
If you don’t like this explination, tell me what’s wrong with it and maybe we
could work on something good.
[And if part of why he’s doing it is because he doesn’t want to end up back in
school, why would he choose to stay in school an extra five years to start
with.]
He doesn’t object to going back to the academy, he’s objecting to having gone
through a long journey with his pokemon, growing too old, and then having to
go back to school in his old age to become a researcher. The experience will
allow him to speed through some courses, but becoming a researcher and a
trainer are two different processes.
[Dialogue is written as “Hello,” he said or “Hello!” he said, never
“Hello.”
He said or “Hello.” he said or “Hello,” He said or “Hello”
he said. The only
exception to this is if the next sentence doesn’t contain a speech verb, in
which case it’s written as “Hello.” He grinned, never “Hello,” he
grinned or
“Hello,” He grinned or “Hello.” he grinned. Note that something isn’t
a speech
verb just because it’s a sound you make with your mouth, so generally stuff
like laughed or giggled is in the second category. Furthermore, if you’re
breaking up two complete sentences it’s “Hi,” he said. “This is it.”
not “Hi,”
he said, “this is it.” or “Hi,” he said “this is it.” And
if you’re breaking
up a sentence in the middle, it’s “Hi. This,” he said, “is it.” If
there’s no
speech verb in the break, you use a dash, like “Hi. This – ” He looked around.
“- is it.” And the same punctuation and capitalization applies to thoughts.]
Like I said above, grammar is not my best subject. As such, barely understood
what you just said. I think I get the meaning of it in the case of the example
you brought up, but I’m still confused.
[When used in place of a name, it’s capitalized.]
That one makes sense, and you’re right. I might have just gleamed over it or
didn’t notice it, thanks.
[Hug.]
This one I can’t justify, I’m just an idiot.
[And here I thought naming the main character Dark Stone represented some
upper limit on absurdity.
And now it’s just him walking around the same places as every other OT fic.]
What’s an OT fic?
Once again I thank you for your criticism, and I really hope you respond. Some
help would be very much appreciated.
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Name: Silver-Mistyx90
Profile: http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1888953/
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Subject: x
A response to your review at http://www.fanfiction.net/r/7767819/
First of all, it’s my story and Misty is younger than Ash. I can choose any
age I want. And also your explanation didn’t work. It’s more complicated and I
can’t even understand a word. All that your suggestion did was eat my brains.
Seriously, if you don’t like it then don’t give review or give me some stupid
suggestions that I am not able to read also.
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Name: BGPixieQueen77
Profile: http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1585718/
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Subject: Pokemon XD Gale of Shadows
I know it looks terrible, and I’m sorry, but I don’t know how he screwed it
up. I beta’d what he sent me and sent it back for him to post. I’m about to
post the beta’d version so I hope you enjoy that one better.
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Name: Leo5882723
Profile: http://www.fanfiction.net/u/2661576/
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Subject: re: Your review to To Pass the Time
A response to your review at http://www.fanfiction.net/r/7768534/
Well, thank you for saying what is wrong with my fic. Again, I wrote this
because I was bored, and since I am only a Senior in high school, my english
is not perfect. But, as far as I know, I’m supposed to put Pokemon or Pikachu
into capitalization. They do that in the video games when they use them in
their sentences, so as far as I know, I copy that.
Once again, thank you for reveiwing my fic, and I will try to make my grammar
and punctuation better.
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Name: unrepentantAuthor
Profile: http://www.fanfiction.net/u/3584903/
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Subject: Re: DE Correspondence
It has recently come to my attention that you have posted the contents of a
private message from myself to you on your blog, appending a comment implying
I am perverted. I’m slightly peturbed that you posted my PM without my
permission, but I’m going to put that to the side in favour of dealing with
the content of your responses to it.
It seems irrational to me that you should de-favourite the story entirely
because of a negative perception of the author’s ‘mindset,’ a conclusion about
which I believe you jumped to rather rashly. Although I’m not offended by the
remarks by you or any of your caucus, I wish to stress that I am an asexual,
and cannot rightly be accused of perversion (illustrating a major issue with
judging people you simply do not know) and that my points in contradiction to
yours regarding the existence or non-existence of breasts were firstly
hypothetical, and secondly a cynical observation about the desire of humans to
sexually anthropomorphise non-humans. Examples include virtually every
humanoid alien species in scifi mediums, supposedly sexless android characters
in same, and so on. The reason there was no subtext you noticed in the story
is because there simply wasn’t any intended.
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Good news, everyone! Asexuals are incapable of being creepy or sexist! We can put them down next to “gay men” on the list of people who should never be criticized. Yay!
Name: enzerukage loves fairy tail
Profile: http://www.fanfiction.net/u/2532186/
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Subject: your reveiw
I didn’t mean that most girls obsess over breaking their nails that is just
how my tomboy character acts, yes Enzerukage is based off of me but she is
way different than me. I’m sorry if I offended you I didn’t mean to. And I
wasn’t sure if I should put the numbers as letters or not so I just went with
what was shorter. I said when there was a new speaker which meant i did start
a new paragraph.I wasn’t trying to be unique, i just don’t like pink, i really
didnt mean that most girls don’t like pink. Most of the friends I have hate
pink to, but i wouldn’t just not be someones friend if they didn’t like pink
or if they like all those other stuff i mentioned. This is my first story, I
understand that i would have alot of mistakes in it because I am not
experienced. And i never put any speak breaks, I just started another sentence
after something I made my character say.
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Name: jakmaster1
Profile: http://www.fanfiction.net/u/3625446/
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Subject: Hello ^_^
I want to thank you for your honest opinion on my fanfic, and hope you will
review my others when I write them ^_^ I do have a question though, instead of
‘ for thoughts, what would you suggest I use?
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Name: TwlghtDrmr
Profile: http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1284819/
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Subject: Respond to your Review
A response to your review at http://www.fanfiction.net/r/7769967/
Hello! Thank you for your review, I do have to admit my use of – and , and
breaking up of dialogue sentences is probably some of the worst ever, although
I’m not quite sure why I do it but I do. @_@ English isn’t my first language
but I’m trying my best! :) So thank you for your critique, I’ll try to be more
aware of it in future stories/chapters!!
Haha yeah, it’s supposed to be alternate universe but I kind of liked the
tenuous connection of roses for some reason. :) But anyways thanks for your
critique!
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Random note, but given that it’s possible the person who sent you the review with his name in it didn’t want it to be posted to the larger internet, perhaps you should change it or something?
Anyway, since I’m here and posting I would just like to say that all of your reviews are awesome, as well as yor hunger game stuff, and your Pokemon Black playthrough. It’s just so true and entertaining.
I generally assume anyone throwing their name around just doesn’t care, but you’re right, better safe than sorry.
And thanks! Glad I’ve amused you.
“Well, thank you for saying what is wrong with my fic. Again, I wrote this
because I was bored, and since I am only a Senior in high school, my english
is not perfect.”
………..
So when, exactly, do people think that they are supposed to learn how to use their own native language?
Maybe it was just my desperate hope that this person didn’t have English as a first language?
If that were the case, their excuse should be “it’s not my native language,” not, “I am still a few months away from finishing thirteen years of school, give me time!”
I choose to hope really hard that the reason they said it that way is because as a non-native English speaker, they didn’t think to say that. It makes me feel better.
[dragonfree WHAT DID YOU DO]
I wrote a bit in my reviewing guide about how telling the author you want X or Y to happen in the story, or that they should be writing genre X instead of Y, or other such attempts at simply getting the author to write the story that you want to read instead of making the story they’re trying to write better, are not helpful. I suppose that’s the part they’re thinking of, somehow. I also tried to emphasize in that same section that criticizing the execution of a concept is not the same thing as demanding you write some completely different story, but they seem to have missed that part.
Ah, yeah, I suppose that’s inevitable. People often respond to what I’m saying as “I order you to not write X” instead of “you are writing X terribly”.
Ah! Okay! I get it now! Sorry, sorry, I completely mistook your comment. You meant to say that the morality of my story is skewed, right? It’s not a matter of character portraying, but how I presented the matter or something like that…? Sorry, not an excuse, but three days going on with no sleep, I’m an idiot and can’t comprehend simple sentences.
Yeah, the idea of someone not telling a person’s mother they’re still alive is really horrible, so a character treating it as wrong but just in the sense of mildly guilty is a horrible person.
Love how you totally ignore unrepentantAuthor’s argument entirely and instead continue to accuse him of having traits that there has been little to no evidence of. Really shows what a true intellectual you are. As if your previous caps lock rage, referring to Wikipedia as a reliable source, and calling entire scientific fields stupid without justification didn’t already prove that.
Hey, what took you so long? I was expecting you ages ago.
Also LOLx8.
And of course you ignore what I say and just laugh like a mugging chucklehead from Jersey Shore. I must admit, you never fail to meet my expectations. My low, low expectations. It would be startling how little you’ve changed and how much more in-control I’ve become over the years, but for it to be startling I’d need to be surprised.
Why don’t we skip the semantics and get to the part where you hurl baseless insults my way while I stay calm and marvel at what a fool you’re making of yourself? That’s how this is bound to end.
Tell me more about how much you don’t care ::::)
Oh, I care. Wouldn’t you care about a sad, pathetic little woman who boasts more intellect or talent than she actually has, and only has bile and contempt to offer the world instead of any valuable insight or thoughts? If that’s too abstract, go look in a mirror and tell me how morbidly fascinating it is.
You sound very calm and not like you’re hurling insults at all ::::) Please, continue to show everyone how much better than me you are.
Is that sarcasm I hear? My my, I think you may be approaching something resembling wit. Or you would, if the two were mutually exclusive in any way. Something needs to be true to be witty, and it looks like even basic facts of reality are just beyond your grasp. Good try, though.
All the same, the fact I’m not resorting to acting like Vriska or any other Alternian troll shows enough.
Unless you actually mean to suggest that you believe the photo she linked on Wikipedia is fake, it has no relevance here that Wikipedia is not generally a reliable source. She never argued it was a reliable source in general; she linked a real picture that happened to be uploaded there.
Similarly, what she said about animal scientists was, “Thank you for reinforcing the stereotype that “animal scientist” is a
meaningless title for people too stupid to get near the real sciences.” The negative word “stereotype” plus basic reading comprehension should tell you that this sentence means “I am annoyed by the common perception that animal science is stupid and by the fact you, as a stupid animal scientist, are reinforcing it”, not “animal science is stupid”.
Pouncing on red herrings and willful misinterpretations of what she actually said to discredit her just makes you sound silly.
Question: Did you actually see the discussion in question? If so, you would see that Farla was just yelling in impotent rage every time the actual expert presented the actual science. Farla’s response was to post a link to a /software site/ and Wikipedia. Oh, and Farla misinterpreted what /she/ said to mean that breasts are just big sacks of milk, which was never stated. So why are you not on her case too?
Also, you pouncing on a singular thing I said instead of the substantive arguments below makes you look just as silly, my friend.
I did see the discussion in question. Farla’s argument is that in mammals other than humans, the breasts are only enlarged while the mother is actually nursing (and therefore the fact humans have perpetually enlarged breasts is a quirk of human evolution). Kirai-Ninja attempted to disprove this with a photo of a chimpanzee, but the photo depicted a nursing chimpanzee. Farla countered with a photo of a non-nursing female chimpanzee, which indeed had flat breasts. The only counterargument Kirai-Ninja made to this was “but this photo is uploaded on Wikipedia, so you lose.”
Did she yell, insult and otherwise behave uncivilly in the process? Oh, sure. But that does not actually invalidate the argument she made, and neither does the fact she got the picture off Wikipedia. And Kirai-Ninja also resorted to insults, so it’s not as if she can take the moral high ground.
Also, Kirai-Ninja really did say humans “store milk in their breasts” and later corrected herself to say milk ducts. On a second reading of the original post, she may have just accidentally left out the word “ducts” the first time, but you can hardly fault Farla for not psychically detecting that someone who says “humans store milk in their breasts” actually means “humans have milk ducts in their breasts”.
And there is nothing silly about responding only to parts of a debate between third parties. I don’t have much of an opinion in a good chunk of this discussion, or my thoughts have already been posted by others by the time I get there. Ignoring substantial arguments directed at me would just make me sound silly, yeah – but all I’m doing is commenting on the parts of what other people say to each other that strike me as particularly off. For all you know I don’t even agree with half of Farla’s arguments; it’s ridiculous for you to expect I ought to be taking up her mantle on everything you’ve criticized about her stance just because I called you out on using logical fallacies. Hell, I routinely comment in debates to point out logical fallacies used by the people arguing the side I agree with.
And the fact that Farla’s arguments were based around the milking habits of non-human apes has not once struck you as unfathomably stupid when we’re discussing hybridization with humans? At all?
For a person who professes that s/he regularly criticizes the side s/he is on, I’m sure seeing a distinct lack of it here. You can make grand statements about your habits all you want, but until I see those habits in play you can’t take any sort of moral high ground yourself. You keep telling me how her position doesn’t make sense to you, but why don’t you tell her for a change, hm?
She brought up the milking habits of non-human apes in support of the point that humanlike perpetually enlarged breasts are “a minor quirk of human evolution”, not as a direct reason hybridization with humans wouldn’t produce them. Her basic argument is that since the humanization is stated to be otherwise pretty much just a matter of the overall body proportions, this particular minor quirk of human evolution is a pretty random thing to come with it. It’s not something that would bother me personally, but it makes sense.
I didn’t challenge her conclusion that the author was being creepy because 1) it wasn’t that her argument was obviously wrong, just that I couldn’t quite follow it, and 2) I just wasn’t overly interested; I considered asking but then couldn’t be bothered. I wasn’t trying to claim the moral high ground, only to point out that automatically assuming I ought to be countering all your other points if I take issue with this one isn’t justified. If you really want evidence that I have walked into debates to argue with people arguing my own side, I can give it, but it seems manifestly irrelevant; just the fact I could even in theory agree with you on everything but this is sufficient to show that the assumption is unwarranted.
Read the fic. You’re now defending her position that is blatantly false. It was gene splicing. It is specifically said that the main character is now part human. Body proportions were just part of that gene splicing, and the part that got the most detail. Farla was just making stuff up as she went, and you’re biting into it with no actual knowledge about what is being discussed. If you are not willing to rectify that, you have no business here defending her.
Furthermore, you’re asking me to believe you are impartial by taking your word for it. If you don’t actually show me that by demonstrating it by looking at what Farla is saying and similarly telling her how she’s misrepresenting me, I have no reason to believe you. The most basic component of persuasion is to supply me reasons to see your point of view and believe what you say, and you have given me very few. Don’t make a claim about what kind of person you are unless you’re willing to back it up.
Did you read what I said? I’m not trying to persuade you that I am impartial in this debate or that I’m a superior human being because I sometimes argue with people who agree with me; the only reason I brought up my debate-replying habits at all was that you made an unwarranted assumption that I must be ready to argue with everything you said just because I argued with one thing.
I honestly don’t think Farla has been misrepresenting or misinterpreting you as far as I’ve seen (it’s hard to keep track of all these comments so I don’t know if I’ve seen everything, but out of what I’ve seen, not really), but that is in no way relevant to what I was trying to say. What I was trying to say was that as a general rule, you cannot assume that in a debate between A and B, a third party X who argues against a point made by A ought to be arguing against all the other points A made too. You can’t assume X even disagrees with those points in the first place, let alone that they had something of worth to add on the matter. In this case I’ve found myself variously on Farla’s side or not having much of an opinion either way, hence why I haven’t been arguing with everything you said but haven’t really been arguing with her either.
If for some absurd reason you’re actually desperate to see an example of me arguing directly against my side, here’s me arguing with a stupid pro-gay argument:
http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?p=13205539#post13205539
http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?p=13211364#post13211364
http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?p=13230891#post13230891
But like I said, that really isn’t relevant to my point either way.
If they deliberately put breasts on them, that’s all the more reason to ask why. Remember, Farla’s original comment was “I really don’t see why they’d give her breasts”, not “SHE MUST NOT HAVE BREASTS”. After that she took issue with the author’s proposed reasons on the basis they were creepy, not that they were not reasons somebody could possibly decide to put breasts on a Pokémorph.
You do realize that its against the rules of FFN to post the PM of another FFN user outside of Fanfiction.Net, don’t you? Or do you simply feel that you are above the rules?
Hadn’t heard that one. I’m more curious why you don’t want them crossposted – surely, with how stupid and wrong I am, it’s good for authors to be able to defend themselves to the public? Isn’t your friend happy he got to set the record straight?
Cross-posting is against the rules, I was simply curious as the whether you were aware of that. Cross-posting is fine and dandy when you have the other author’s permission, but they’re called Private Messages for a reason. Its not only rude to do so, its breaking the rules.
Nope, I had not heard that, can you link me to the rule? Also, what sort of rule is it if I can post them all I like so long as it’s not off-site?
I say I’ll post things people send me very clearly, and I’ve respected people asking me not to post so long as they weren’t trying to abuse that. But really, if people were behaving properly, this wouldn’t be an issue. The whole point of posting them all is that if someone presents themselves well, other people get to see. Otherwise, I’d just cherrypick the idiots.
It’s rules 4A and 6A of the Terms of Service. What you’re doing is blatantly disregarding the rules. The fact you’re trying to justify it by some twisted form of altruism is just an insult to everyone’s intelligence.
Wow, that is a mess. I think 4A actually says I can’t crosspost anything I post there, though it’s presumably meant to be modified by the bit about retaining rights. And also that you’re wrong it’s possible to crosspost things when the author’s gven permission, since it specifies written FFN. And that I can’t download fics.
Eh. I’m not sure why you think this is a “niceness” issue, since the rules don’t say anything about PMs being private. They just mean FFN doesn’t want their site scraped, it’s totally fine to repost PMs everywhere on the site. If I post the PMs all to my forum instead, does that make it nice?
It says “instant messages.” Since last I checked, there is nothing else that it could apply to aside from PMs.
Disregarding that rules have never dictated what is nice and what isn’t, yes, go do that. Post them on your forum. At least then you won’t be blatantly breaking the Terms of Service. One less valid complaint held against you.
…what? No, it says a lot more than instant messages. It just lumps everything under user content, making any crossposting against the rules. That’s why I said it’s a mess.
Dare I ask why you care just about the TOS now when a second ago you guys wanted me to not post them in public?
Oversight on my part. Thought you were trying to dispute PMs being covered in the TOS. My apologies.
Counter question: Why does it matter that I “care” about the TOS? My opinion hasn’t exactly changed. Tell me what the possible reasons for me caring about the TOS are, and how they would impact anything in any way, shape, or form.
Because I don’t understand why you do when you seemed to want me not to post the PMs on ethical grounds, so I asked. Is is some secret?
“I am an asexual, and cannot rightly be accused of perversion”
…I am asexual, yet I am infamous among my friends for making some of the most perverted comments and connections. Just because sex does not interest me, it does not mean I do not understand it. Its not like we are born with a sexual blindfold.
Wasn’t Farla’s accusation that the guy was perverted in the sense his morphs had breasts for the sake of sexual author appeal?
That and he wouldn’t let them wear skirts.
SHORT skirts. Farla specifically suggested short skirts. Let’s not forget that. You know, the things that a lot of actual perverts want women to wear.
She mentioned short skirts specifically because they’re more practical than long skirts, which get in the way.
This isn’t that hard. Farla is thinking this from the former-Pokémon’s point of view: while humans cover up a lot of themselves both to keep warm and because that’s the cultural standard of modesty, the Pokémorphs should have no such cultural standard, and they have fur which gives them adequate insulation without needing clothes – odds are they’d find trousers uncomfortable, limiting and probably too warm, compared to something like a short skirt that provides the minimal modesty expected in human society but is also minimally restraining.
You don’t understand, MEN have spoken. They know all women, including formerly pokemon women, far better than I or you or anyone else could.
You do realize that the person who defied you before and got you into a rage – Rai, I believe – was a WOMAN, right? Your paranoia never ceases to amuse the hell out of me.
That would be why I yelled at her for not knowing how breasts work, yes. With the rest of you, I just assume you don’t have much experience since weaning.
She’s in college studying animal science. But, of course, nobody could ever conceivably know more than you in any subject. That’s just nonsense.
And she is representing her fellows poorly and giving weight to the stereotype it’s for people who don’t know real science. We’ve covered this. Unless you or she produces those promised peer-reviewed journals on how all humanoids have visible breasts and also nursing cats stay perfectly flat…
If the pokemorphs chose the outfit? That would make a lot of sense, yes. But you didn’t read the fic, I take it. The pokemorphs did not make that choice. The people who made them chose their outfit for them. So, you need to be thinking from a human’s cultural standpoint. From a human’s cultural standpoint, a gender-neutral uniform would have pants, not a skirt. If you think that it would make sense for the main character Salem to get a skirt at a later date, why not just tell him so and why? I doubt he’d get hostile over a suggestion.
I haven’t read the fic, no – but Farla was never complaining about the idea humans might want to put Pokémorphs in trousers. Her initial comment on the fic was not a complaint at all – she just commented that if they were just trying to give them the minimal modesty clothing they’d be fine just giving them short skirts, while if not, it would be practical to include shoes with the clothes they issue.
The author misinterpreted what she meant by giving them short skirts, thinking she was referring to the idea of putting the girls in skirts rather than having all the morphs wear the same gender-neutral clothing. (I find that perfectly understandable, to be honest; she often takes brevity over clarity in NaReviews and it happens quite a bit that I read something she says where I know what she’s getting at because I’ve been following her reviews for a couple of years but think I would probably be confused or misinterpret it horribly otherwise.) He responded that he thought that would be sexually objectifying and degrading, which does make sense as a response to the suggestion the girls should wear short skirts because they’re girls; that just wasn’t what Farla was actually trying to get at.
Subsequently Farla found the combination of the breast and skirt issue creepy; I’m still a bit confused on her precise line of reasoning there (I kind of see it and kind of don’t), but after this point her argument on the skirt side of the issue is i) about the attitudes towards skirts she perceived in the author’s reply (that they’re inherently degrading and impractical), and ii) about how the Pokémorphs would see the issue (they’d probably find trousers uncomfortable and restraining and want to wear skirts if they could), not about whether the Pokémorphs in the story should actually have been given skirts.
So Farla decides to post his defense on her blog and have her posse laugh at it instead of actually attempting to clarify what she meant. Then proceeds to call him a creepy pervert because he said that giving skirts to only the girls would be impractical and sexist.
Please tell me how her behavior is defensible. Draw me the line between critic and jerk, because I apparently can no longer see it.
She posts all responses to her reviews on the blog, both the nutty ones and the quite civil ones, and lets them mostly speak for themselves – we see exactly what the author said in its original context, with minimal commentary from her. It’s actually quite interesting because it’s not often you get to see such a large sample of how authors react to critical reviews.
Farla is frequently pretty mean. I’m not defending the morality of posting PMs (I’m kind of on the fence on that), and I do wish she were more willing to clarify what she means when people get confused (I made a comment on one of the blog posts along those lines a week or two ago). I’m not defending her because I think Farla can do no wrong; I’m defending her where people seem to be misinterpreting or misrepresenting what she said.
Actually, I do reply to a bunch, but yeah, not the ones confused about dialogue.
I apologize if I did. But the fact still remains that even without misrepresentation, what she says is pretty heinous.
That was only a problem when combined with the fact that the breasts was needed for identification. If the scientists really where perverts, they would use skirts as well.
In short: Visble breasts are needed for females, yet skirts are degrading.
Or the simple fact that human females have breasts. Non-human female and human female DNA spliced might, you know, possibly have some human features beyond skeletal structure. Explain to me how this is not logical.
Also, that “the scientists might be perverts” thing was one off-handed possible explanation out of several. You’re latching onto one while ignoring all others.
Explanation 1: Sexual identification
Explanation 2: Personal identification
Explanation 3: Perversion of creators
1: This returns to the idea that breasts are needed to be female.
2: This could be very interesting, as it plays on the uncanny valley factor.
3: If the breast was only added out of perversion, it ought to be more of a plotpoint. Breast can be quite a hassle if the morphs are needed for battle. Thus the creators would need more reason than simple lust.
This means that two of the explanations are of direct sexual origin, creating a problem when the choice of clothing are made a sexual issue as well.
1. To /be/ female? No. To be identified as female at a glance by humans? Yes.
2. Didn’t think of that myself. Really does have possibilities, doesn’t it?
3. The keyword is “if.” It was just a possibility and has not been coded into any sort of canon. Doubt it will. Is there much sense in getting worked up over something that has not actually happened? Don’t get angry and assume the author is a pervert, tell him which one you think would be best – 2 – and why the ones you don’t like – 1 and 3 – would be bad ideas.
Your response to 1 leads to absurdities like no prepubescent children being identifiable as female. The internet ill needs more poorly-conceived arguments.
Hm… yeah, come to think of it, fair point. Immense oversight on my part. Sorry.
Point still remains on getting angry over things that are not set in stone and actually conversing with the author himself, though.
The author responded to my points with no. Even the very minor ones like morphs getting shoes, where he didn’t seem to have even read what I wrote. If someone makes it clear they don’t want to listen to me, I’m not going to keep arguing with them. And my issue was not anger, it was that it was creepy and I wanted nothing more to do with it – if he gave off that much DNW in response to what I thought was an innocent point, I had no interest in seeing how much worse it could get.
Actually no, the problem appears when he seems to think it is needed because sexual people all are perverted, thus the breasts are needed for the audience to “Identify the morphs as female”. Farla’s problem is the whole Breast = Female idea.
Let me get this straight.
breasts = easily identifiable sex (which is… true) = breasts being applied = people are perverted
Do you see where the logic breaks down?
“Perhaps a more cynical but equally valid argument is that the creators of themorphs are simply perverts”
“a cynical observation about the desire of humans to sexually anthropomorphise non-humans”
While is is not said outright, the wording creates the implication that sexual people will let their lust rule their actions.
That was possible not the intent, but is comes across as such.
As for the logic, that is the problem. Yes, breast are good for sexual identification, but only because the fixation on sex of the morph. It makes gender a larger issue than the story initially brings forth.
If the author had made it more of a quirk of the splizing process (as you mentioned above, moved my answer to here as it fits better) his reasons would be more clear as ans aesthetic choice , as well as fit with his comments about the choice of unisex clothing.
The true issue is the implications about gender and sex that his reasons create.
My problem is that these issues have nothing to do with being asexual or not, but is a general social view of sex and females.
Alright, that is a sensible point. Though keep in mind that Farla was calling him creepy and a pervert because of this, hence his response of asexuality. His asexuality does not hold up to your point of social norms. But as I’ve proposed above, why not bring that up with him if you really care that much? You’ve admitted he has a good idea or two, so why not suggest he take those good ideas and run with them?
I can see that, however, again, the wording seems to imply that as an asexual he is not able to make comments about sexual context that can be interprented as creepy.
Pointing out that he is asexual, thus having no personally sexual reasons for adding breast, that I can get behind. But then he appears to push the implications his comments create away from himself, with the comment about the sexualised nonhumans, giving the idea that is the fault of the general handeling of nonhuman creature as sexual beings. That is what I meant about social norms.
I am considering reviewing the story at this point, however, I am not sure of how to bring up these ideas without creating more bad mood. Any suggestions?
At this point, I think civility on your part would be enough. He knows about this whole fiasco, and he knows other people know. Admitting that you know what he said to Farla shouldn’t be a surprise to him. Just stick to the ideas. Tell him why you think personal identification – explanation 2 – could have potential and why the perversion of the creators – explanation 3 – should not be used unless he plans to make it a major point. Don’t make any judgements about his character until you actually talk to him, and I doubt he’ll be snappy with you.
Alright, now, I am considering sending him a pm, instead od leaving a review on the story, as it might attract unwanted attention.
Good idea; probably for the best.
I’d be glad to discuss this with you.
This comment tripped the spam filter! Are you secretly from our robot overlords? I appreciate their support.
Intentional fallacy, deliberately misinterpreting something in the worst light possible, not paying attention to the valid arguments presented against Farla’s, namely the one about the human tendency to sexually anthropomorphise humanoid creatures. Well done. You have no critical thinking skill.
But he was the one who created anthropomorphise humanoid creatures with obvious sexual traits, as well as mention it at first. Perphaps the reaction was to harsh, but can you deny the implications created?
shhh you are contradicting him about how asexuals are pure and innocent snowflakes.
He should have stuck to “you’re wrong that it’s because I wanna bang them”. I mean, it’s not like it changes much when what’s grossing me out is the assumption everything about this has to be sexual combined with acting like women are some separate and bizarre class. Him being one of the creepy asexuals who think everyone else is obsessed with sex every second is no better than being someone who assumes that because he’s sex obsessed everyone else is.
You’re the one acting like women are some separate class. He said he thought pants were more practical than short skirts in training, and that having only the girls wear short skirts would be sexist. You respond by back-pedaling and saying you meant they all should wear skirts, and then professing that he’s objectifying women by… not having his female characters wear short skirts and just wear a standard uniform.
Your logic is non-existent.
The whole skirt thing is only a problem because of the assumption that females need visual breasts.
If he only said that he would not let them wear skirts because it would be degrading, there would be no conflict.
He did. I’m assuming this is the first you’ve heard of it? There was a previous post with his first reply, which had this tidbit:
“In terms of modesty, I find that a short skirt would be distinctly objectifying, and I feel that choosing to issue female morphs with them would be unwise choice, given the probable social consequences of such an action. I would prefer to have gender-neutral uniforms issued than arbitrary skirts for creatures raised without human gender tropes.”
Logically, there should be no conflict, yes? His aim was clearly to avoid sexual objectification, so why continue to call him a pervert when all the evidence does not carry that assumption?
I fail to see the contradiction in “short skirts” and “gender-neutral uniform” and the fact that you apparently still see a contradiction says little good about you.
Gender neutral means that both genders have the exact same thing. Only females wearing short skirts is not gender neutral. Short skirts and gender-neutral uniforms are not contradictory, but female-only short skirts and gender-neutral uniforms are. It’s fairly rudimentary logic.
It has been stated time and again that the suggestion was short skirts for everyone (not just the girls) and your inability to spot *this* says even less flattering things about your reading comprehension.
This was what I was referring to actually, sorry if it did not come across.
He says this, a good point. Yet argues that the breasts might be for sexual identification or a result of lust, thus actually creating sexual objectification.
While this was not the intent, it creates uncomfortable implications.
If we can both agree he is clearly not intending those unfortunate implications, then – again, I know – why not talk to him about it? It’s very possible that it was an oversight on his part, and I think he’d be willing to at least hear you out.
Damn lag made me double-post…
What mighty contests rise from trivial things.
It fills me with endless amusement that people seem to care so very much about a half-human character having breasts.
I think is it the issues about sexual roles and sexual attributes that is the main theme.
New post because the gradually shortening lines are getting annoying.
“Because I don’t understand why you do when you seemed to want me not to
post the PMs on ethical grounds, so I asked. Is is some secret?”
I still don’t want you to post them in public on ethical grounds. This may be a bit abstract for your very literal mind, but you could be compared to the girl who reads a guy’s love letter out loud to her friends to laugh at it. If you /asked/ each author if they were okay with this before actually doing it, then there would be no issue. Consent is a major problem here, but if that basic human decency is beyond you, then I’ll take the Terms of Service violation route for some concession.
So your “but the TOS !” does indeed have no bearing on your argument, you just don’t want me to do it and you’ll champion whatever so long as it fits what you already want.
You really were better off just trying to argue I shouldn’t do it for ethical reasons, instead.
I just did present an argument for ethical reasons. I even presented you with a very simple solution that would prevent this from ever happening again. But no, you won’t do that, because basic human decency is truly beyond you, isn’t it?
I did not bring up the TOS. Somebody else did. I noticed it, looked it up, and presented you with the information you wanted. The information that conclusively proves you are breaking the rules. You are continuing to break the rules right now.
The facts have not changed at all, Farla.
No, you made a comparison but failed to prove to me why “thanks!” or “no, not taking your advice” or “RAEG” somehow equals a love letter given to me in strictest confidence.
I more meant your threats to try to get me in trouble over it, which is about as childish as if I was running around reporting people’s stories if I didn’t like the sound of their PM. It’s just the usual thing about not scraping the site. I was really only going along with the idea of posting them to my forum because it’s cluttering the blog to have so many posts every day and I thought it was funny.
See, when I said you have a very literal mind, that’s what I meant. You are unable to see similarities and only pick apart differences, unable to see the comparison or nuance. The issue is privacy. What you are posting is meant to be private. I don’t know if you heard, but privacy and the threat of it being taken away has been a bit of a big thing in this modern world. If you simply asked authors for permission, this would not be an issue anymore. Why is that an unreasonable measure?
Also, I never threatened to get you in trouble over it. I just said you were breaking the rules. Show me the quote where I said I would report you if you didn’t stop. Produce it out of the aether if you must. If you can, you are not nearly as paranoid as you sound right now.
…only because you’re very literally interpreting private message as a secret message meant never to be spoken of and not just a easy way of saying something without getting in the way of all the people who don’t care. As I said, I respect it if people actually say they want something private, it’s just silly to assume everyone saying “Farla, let me tell you why you’re dumb and it’s written Pikachu!” meant for it to be private forevermore.
Look, if you don’t care if the TOS says I can do it or not, you want me to not do it either way, why are you also trying to get me to move them from one site from another? This isn’t sarcasm and it wasn’t the last time, I am honestly baffled.
Then why have you not taken down his responses by now? Why did you even post the second one? His second one showed obvious displeasure at having his words plastered on your blog for you and your posse to publicly mock. You keep saying you have respect, but you have yet to back it up with any action.
Ugh… I don’t get why this is so hard for you to grasp. I would prefer if you didn’t do this, but I know that convincing you not to is unrealistic because you have yet to admit that anything you have said up to this point is wrong. You have given nobody any reason to believe you are capable of admitting fault. You moving this to your FFN forum? Fine, do that. At least it means you’re somewhat willing to compromise. As for the TOS, the fact you’re breaking the rules is just that: a fact. Nothing more, nothing less. I was not aware that pointing out facts suddenly became underhanded in any school of logic.
Because he needs to actually say if he doesn’t want it posted. Sending his friends over to whine at what I think of what he said isn’t the same thing, especially what I think of what he said was going to get mentioned with or without the PM. And he then sent a second PM mentioning it without asking for either PM not to be posted.
In this case it’d be a terrible idea to take it down by now, since that means we’re only left with my side of events starting the argument. Plus, it certainly seems he’s upset by what I’m saying more than what I posted him saying.
At least it means you’re somewhat willing to compromise.
I’d be willing to compromise if you can explain why you want me to/how it’s a compromise. Your argument right now is chewing its own tail. A compromise means “by doing X, you are somewhat fixing the problems with Y” not “by doing X, I made you do something so I feel better about you, even though it changes nothing about Y, which I still hate”.
I mean, for example, someone might say they worry the authors would have trouble finding this place, and that’s not fair. So they would say it was better to post it on FFN where they think it’d be more accessible. Other people might say no one really pays attention to forums so I’d be hiding it there and it’s better to post it here. Other people might have an opinion based on which they think would have a larger audience, because it’s more bad wherever more people would see it. And so on. Any compromise about what I’m doing should take into account what the problem with it is.
(It’s all wonderfully moot, actually – I just realized either reposting emailed PMs is fine or FFN violates their own TOS when they send me them. Or both, I’m not really sure. But confining them to a forum thread still looks tempting for practical reasons, plus someone can always make an argument from the preceding paragraph based on what your aim is with getting me to move them.)
Wouldn’t it be pretty easy to just add an autocorrect thing to note at the bottom of your reviews that any responses may be reposted unless they specifically request otherwise? When it’s only on your profile you can’t really expect most people to actually see it, so in the interest of full disclosure it would seem prudent to at least try to make everyone aware of how they can indicate they don’t want their comments reposted.
I suspect that would just encourage drama, instead of helping. Also, I don’t want to open things up to people saying whatever they want, then adding “no posting!”. Reposting PMs was intended to put a damper on some of their excesses. People are behaving a lot better, so it might not be such an issue- but, they’ve behaving a lot better, so the need for an opt-out has become a lot less than it used to be.
That said, it worked better when people had to go to my profile before PMing me – now that most of them probably bypass that step, I might erect a different hurdle. Maybe I’ll just disable PMs for the month and direct them all to a forum thread, assuming FFN’s put links back by next year. Or three threads – one for how do u dialogue, one for NINTENDO USES CAPITALS and one for the rest.
Wait what- Why am I on here?
You replied during review month. Everybody who replies gets posted unless there’s some reason not to.