NaRe 2018 Romance Pokeauthors, Week 4

“The person I wrote this story with wanted us to use master when referring to the male character and I had no objections. It has jack-shit to do with power-play or the like and the word was simply used as a means of not having a name for him. It was either master or owner, and my partner thought master sounded better, end of story. Whether or not it’s creepy is a subjective issue that varies wildly from person to person.”

re: Your review to What Do You Do On Your Days Off?
23 Janluciangirl06
A response to your review at https://www.fanfiction.net/r/12808142/

Thank you for your review!

I apologize. I was not aware that there was this debate regarding Pokémon capitalization. My only basis for my writing were the games (Black 2 and White 2 to be specific) and the very limited number of fanfiction I’ve read under the Pokémon category, which all seemed to capitalize Pokémon. However, I did decide to look into this upon reading your review.

From what I’ve gathered, it seems like both capitalizing and not capitalizing are generally accepted. I do see merit to both forms. Personally, I think whichever you use should depend on the context of your story, the goals of your writing, and personal preference. Not capitalizing may appear to be more grammatically correct when using the rules of the general English language. However, since it’s not the form used in canon media, it may be more noticeable when used. I personally find it disconcerting to see Pokémon names that aren’t capitalized, because I’m only really used to the games. I think that not capitalizing would be useful when writing a fanfic that would like to touch on semantics or linguistics, or one that would like to play with form. Not capitalizing could also be very effective when writing an AU, especially one set in our own world, since this method would be an easy way to visually tell that the fanfic does not take place in the games.

For this fanfic, however, I think that sticking to capitalizing Pokémon names would be the better option. This fanfic is all about parallelism and making connections from the present to the past. My goal for this fic is not only for the protagonist to be able to connect these two events and have a “light bulb moment,” but for the reader to be able to as well, however minimal. It is very important for me to have the reader associate this fic with the game for this purpose as much as possible, so creating an environment that mimics the world of the games is vital. This is also why I copied several lines of dialogue directly from the games and tried to build around them. If you still think my decision is wrong, I will discuss this matter with my colleagues to see if my goals truly don’t match up to what I’ve written, but it is important to remember that this is creative writing, a form of art. Rules do not have to be followed as long as it makes sense why, and there is meaning to every creative decision.

Regarding the dialogue formatting though, that was not intentional nor filled with meaning. It will be corrected as soon as possible. I’ll read through the whole fic again to see if I made any other errors.

Thank you again for reading and reviewing! I learned a lot from it. Although, the hostility in the forum you linked does confuse me. Debating about it is good, but attacking those with a differing opinion can be counterproductive, especially since this isn’t a field of science that can be backed up with solid empirical evidence. The only way to actually get a “right” method is to come to an agreement, even if that agreement is to agree to disagree.

secs ago[Debating about it is good, but attacking those with a differing opinion can be counterproductive, especially since this isn’t a field of science that can be backed up with solid empirical evidence.]

Except it is. Grammatical rules are objective. You can bend them with descriptivist principles, but you’re the first person to make a real argument for that. It’s not unreasonable to be dismissive towards people telling you to die for your opinion, especially if it’s clear they are not arguing at all in good faith.

[For this fanfic, however, I think that sticking to capitalizing Pokémon names would be the better option. This fanfic is all about parallelism and making connections from the present to the past. My goal for this fic is not only for the protagonist to be able to connect these two events and have a “light bulb moment,” but for the reader to be able to as well, however minimal. It is very important for me to have the reader associate this fic with the game for this purpose as much as possible, so creating an environment that mimics the world of the games is vital.]

I can see this, but at the same time, the games make a lot of really bad writing decisions that I don’t think you’re obligated to copy if you want to draw parallels. They used to write pokemon names in allcaps, for instance. In this case, I’m also not entirely clear on why it’s so important to “have the reader associate this fic with the game”, as it seems to be a completely in-universe story with no parallels to the real world or player behavior, as some stories do.

The reason I don’t like capitalizing pokemon names is because capitalizing common nouns in a sentence is very confusing, especially when lots of people use the species names as given names for specific pokemon; for this reason, I feel like you need a very good reason to confuse people in such a way. Maybe change them to ALLCAPS if you want to make it clear you’re emphasizing the game-ness of this.

re: Your review to Are you real
23 JanDon’t Be Negative. Be Positive
A response to your review at https://www.fanfiction.net/r/12810675/

Thanks for your in-depth review. You’re right, I’m not a native speaker. In fact, English is a foreign language in my country. We don’t have a fandom here so I think I may like to try writing in English. And I even state in my profile that I’m a starter so I know my story is full of flaws, from grammar to use of words and everything, so I always try my best to revise very carefully before publishing it. Reviews are always appreciated.
I’m still learning by reading a lot of stories everywhere and that’s why I may have learned some things that other writers use. The one that you mention I’ve seen people use it but if you really think it’s not appropriate then I will consider rewriting and removing it. As for the dialogue and speech tag, I am affected by the writing style from my own language to use a period, followed by a hyphen between the dialogue and the speech tag [ .” – ]. After your review, I searched on the internet and found that you’re absolutely right, it’s a big thanks. Just because many writers may not be native speakers either, so things like [“Me too.” He answered.] or [“Nice to meet you.” He greeted.] really make me think it’s not even a problem. For the rest of your review, I admit that I lack the knowledge about them. Need to learn more and fix everything.
Thanks for the review. If there’s any chance that you will review my story again, you are very welcome.

1h agoOh and by “hyphen” I mean “em dash”. My bad.
re: Your review to Pearlshipping The Farewell Gift
23 JanJackster 136
A response to your review at https://www.fanfiction.net/r/12811063/

A reply to St Elmo’s Fire. I read your review you put on Elliot’s story. And your points were terrible.

Firstly HE DID CAPITALIZE THE TITTLE AND UNDERLINE THE AUTHOR’S NOTES!

And capital letter should be put at the start of a Pokemon’s name, because its the Pokemon’s name.

secs agoI don’t fight proxy wars. Your friend can defend himself.

[HE DID CAPITALIZE THE TITTLE]

Not when I reviewed. I see he has fixed it, which is good.

1m agoAnd what about my point about capitals?
secs agoI explained where to go if you wanted to debate about capitalization in the review.
Reply
24 JanMaxaro
A response to your review at https://www.fanfiction.net/r/12811330/

Pokémon are not real, so why the hell do you think it matters whether or not their names are spelled with capital letters?

I have absolutely no idea why this means so much to you, but fine, I’ll play your “game”: In the games, wikis, and articles about the games in magazines they spell Pokémon names with capital letters, hence that’s what I do too. If you want a real world correlation, it’s proper to spell the species name of animals with a capital as well.

I also need to point out that just because I’m arguing against you, don’t think spelling and grammar aren’t very important things to me. I edit things for fun after all, if it didn’t matter to me I wouldn’t find proofreading engaging.

Finally, I don’t know if you’ve noticed yet, but there is no detailed tagging system on this site. Even if I wanted to, it’s impossible for me to tag something other than genre, rating, characters, relationships, language, and worlds. The person I wrote this story with wanted us to use master when referring to the male character and I had no objections. It has jack-shit to do with power-play or the like and the word was simply used as a means of not having a name for him. It was either master or owner, and my partner thought master sounded better, end of story. Whether or not it’s creepy is a subjective issue that varies wildly from person to person.

secs ago[I also need to point out that just because I’m arguing against you, don’t think spelling and grammar aren’t very important things to me.]

Then why do you feel the need to argue at all, if it’s so unimportant?

[The person I wrote this story with wanted us to use master when referring to the male character and I had no objections. It has jack-shit to do with power-play or the like]

You are very naive if you believe that. There’s no reason he couldn’t be referred to as “trainer” or “partner” instead, or just be given a name. It is absolutely a fetish thing.

While this site doesn’t have a literal tagging system like AOOO, you can still list what elements and fetishes are in play in the summary or author’s note. This is useful not just for people who want to avoid things that upset them, but for people to seek out specific things they want.

18m agoPlease do me a favor and read the first quote in this message of yours again. Please pay attention to the double negative. What I’m saying is that grammar IS important to me. There are no rules to follow when it comes to Pokémon and how to spell their names like there are with animals in the real world since, once again, Pokémon aren’t real. This is a matter of opinion and not something we can simply look up in a Oxford guide to grammar.

And of course I know what connotations the term “master” carries with it, but it’s still only a term given to someone. There is no power dynamic between the two characters in the story and, as I mentioned, we simply thought it sounded GOOD. You’re free to use whatever name or term to describe your characters when writing your stories, so don’t come to mine and try to dictate which ones I use and don’t try to tell me what MY intent is when choosing what words to use. Just like the names, this is a subjective matter, and while I’d certainly agree with you if you were to present me with a compelling enough arguments, I doubt either of us have the time or energy needed for such a pointless debate.

There are no rules on this site stating that I have to tag what details or fetishes are in my stories, hence why I don’t do it. On a site like AO3, I might do it from time to time, but not here. This site does not have a tagging or blacklisting system and the people coming here should know that going in. If they want that kind of system when they read or look for stories then they should go somewhere else, simple as that.

secs ago[Please do me a favor and read the first quote in this message of yours again. Please pay attention to the double negative. What I’m saying is that grammar IS important to me.]

Ah, yes, I see. My apologies, but you’d be surprised how many people say they’re arguing with me despite NOT caring about grammar.

However, I believe it is you who needs to reread the source as well. In my review, I clearly stated where to go if you wanted to argue about capitalization. Since you care so deeply about grammar, I think you should.

[There are no rules on this site stating that I have to tag what details or fetishes are in my stories]

…Yes, and? I’m not threatening to break down your door if you don’t, I’m saying it’s a considerate thing to do. If you do tag, I would hope you do so because you agree it makes for a better user experience, not because someone forced you to.

[There is no power dynamic between the two characters in the story]

There is no power dynamic between the human and the person he literally owns? Really. But even if this were true, then why did you choose a term that connotes a power dynamic? This was a deliberate choice, as you said. Why did you think it sounded “good”? What made “master” more appealing than a name?

2h agoFor your information, I DID look at the link you included in your review and while there are certainly some compelling arguments in the thread, this is still a matter of opinion. As was more than once pointed out in the thread, the world of Pokémon is not the same as ours. Trying to apply rules that were never intended to be used on creatures from a game world is pointless and this discussion will never get anywhere. If you want to write Pokémon’s names without any capitalization, then go ahead, but I’ll still continue to write it with capitals. There is not “true” answer to whether or not it should be used.

Being forced to do it IS the only reason I’d tag things, though. I don’t expect things to be tagged on this site when I come here more than they already are and I much prefer giving a story a shot rather than dismissing it right away because one of the tags on it mentions something I don’t like. I don’t care enough to put the effort in to do it.

Pokémon aren’t people. There is no “person” in this instance and you know damn well that “ownership” in the world of Pokémon isn’t something that is explained in detail. A “magical tech ball” isn’t exactly a legally binding contract. We didn’t want a name because it’s easier for the reader to insert themselves in the role of someone if they don’t have an established name. We tried partner, owner, and master, and in the end, master simply looked better in writing and sounded better in our heads. This is just a shallow smut fic and I’ve never suggested otherwise, so why are you so intent on finding out trying to find a deeper meaning where there is none?

Master. Simply. Fit. Better. Than. Partner. Or. Owner.

There is NOTHING more to it than that.

secs ago[For your information, I DID look at the link you included in your review and]

Why are you arguing with me? If you care, post it publicly so everyone can see how right you are. If you don’t care and it really doesn’t matter, stop talking about it already.

[Being forced to do it IS the only reason I’d tag things, though. I don’t expect things to be tagged on this site when I come here more than they already are and I much prefer giving a story a shot rather than dismissing it right away because one of the tags on it mentions something I don’t like. I don’t care enough to put the effort in to do it.]

That’s really inconsiderate of you. Tagging is extremely easy; it’s not asking anything onerous of you. And as I said, it is to your benefit as well; people actively search for specific concepts, so you’ll get more readers if you advertise that.

[Pokémon aren’t people.]

…You wrote a story from a pokemon’s perspective, and you’re going to insist she’s not a person. Really. In that case, she’s incapable of consent and your story is bestiality. Again, it’s fine if you’re into that, but you really need to understand why people might be upset by it.

secs agoYou know what? Fuck it. I give up. You win. Your arguments are flawless and we should all bow to your mighty intellect.

I don’t have the fucking energy to argue about this anymore. Hope your victory is as sweet and succulent as you hoped.

They still haven’t blocked me.

Stop Flaming
24 JanSkeletonKnight
When ever you post a review it always seems to as if you’re trying to b a dick. Chill bro. You’ve done this to every new fic
secs agohttps://www.fanfiction.net/topic/11834/24493256/1/NaRe-Review-FAQ
re: Your review to Camp Poké
27 JanProfessorNebula
A response to your review at https://www.fanfiction.net/r/12815436/

Thank you for pointing that out. I’m guessing that mistake is throughout the whole chapter.

48m agoAlso how do I insert a horizontal line into the story?
secs agoIn the Document Manager, there’s a button for it in the editor toolbar at the top.
7m agoThank you so much. Is there anything else that you noticed in the story?
secs agoNope.
Story
28 JanMinusbomb1
Hello, I really appreciate the comment that you left on my story. You gave me good insight on how I can improve my writing to encourage positive looks on my stories. I am fairly new to writing so any feedback is welcome. I have read a few of your stories and can tell you have had more than your fair share of experience. Again, thanks for the comment.
re: Your review to Alolan love
28 JanGeneral Memeous
A response to your review at https://www.fanfiction.net/r/12817021/

Alright, thanks for the help. I am not really that great when it comes to coming up with title names but otherwise, thanks for the help and I’ll do some improvements. :)

re: Your review to Alolan love
1m agoA response to your review at https://www.fanfiction.net/r/12817021/

Also, if you thought I was gonna take it pretty bad when it came for your review (I am not sure if you get any negative responds from other writers when you are trying to help them) well you were wrong as I strongly accept any offer when it comes for help in order to make my stories look better. :)

secs agoThat’s good. Although for future reference, you can continue a PM chain with no responses by selecting it in your outbox.
22m agoGotcha. Now I’m trying to come up with a better title. So far I have only come up ”The boy from Kanto and the girl from Alola.” as a title. do I need to check if that is already taken
secs agoWell, you can try searching for it in the upper-right corner.

They did in fact change the title.

Halliemj
https://www.fanfiction.net/u/6616937/

Reply link: https://www.fanfiction.net/pm2/post.php?rid=230279726#new
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Subject: re: Your review to Eternity

A response to your review at https://www.fanfiction.net/r/12818683/

I’m sorry, but it isn’t the matter of objectifying Pokemon. Game Freak created Pokemon and clearly has been capitalizing a Pokémon’s name. It is their universe, as it has been since the late 90s, and it is grammatically correct to capitalize a Pokemon’s name according to the company itself. Complain about this aspect of grammar to them, not me. I own nothing but Ariel herself.

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