Pokeauthors Special Spotlight: Another Verse

Not one but two unreviewed passerby show up to give me their unsolicited opinions on why unsolicited opinions are evil.

hey what’s up don’t mind me im just here to complain like everyone else, im sure you get by this point but imma send a message anyway
29 MayBubalubagus
Yeah so like, what the fuck. I’m not even one of the people who has received a review from you, but still I’m curious as to why you do what you do. Like, does it actually bother you when someone makes a minor grammatical error to write paragraphs about it? Or the whole capitalizing pokemon’s names, which by the way it is perfectly okay to do, you see pokemon names constantly capitalized in the actual games anime and manga, even the creators and staff for pokemon capitalize their names under the pretense that pokemon are not mere animals. But even if this weren’t the case I see no reason to go so far out of your way to hunt down stories to complain about them, and don’t tell me that you don’t hunt down stories because you are everywhere dude, there is no way that you aren’t intentionally looking for things to complain about. No I don’t think that you just happen to read a lot of fanfiction, you’ve only favorited a small number of stories meaning that you probably don’t read fanfics very often just for the fun of it, no I believe that you read them because you enjoy trashing peoples stories. Does this make you the bad guy? Absolutely it does, I know that you do it on purpose, I just don’t why. All things considered I doubt it could be chalked up to any sort of trauma you’ve suffered, that would just be ridiculous, my guess is just at your core you are the kind of person who gets off on berating others. I think you are following your nature, you can’t help but act the way you do, how unfortunate that your nature is being a fucking dickhead. Come on, writing one lengthy message every now and then is fine, I’m doing it right now, but not as often as you do it, its so absurd to the point where it’s cringey. I encourage you to convince me I’m wrong about you, seriously, take your best shot, I look forward to seeing how poorly you defend yourself.
secs agoIf these things are so irrelevant, why do you care so much that I’m pointing them out?
9h agoBecause you make them a really big fucking deal and make a lot of people upset who don’t deserve it, I guess I’m just mad at you for thinking that you knew more than other people. Not to mention I was curious as to how you responded to people who called you out, frankly, not impressed. Next time, don’t answer my questions with more questions and actually respond to the issue I brought up.
secs agoI have no power you do not give me. I can’t force anyone to read my reviews or to obey anything in them even if they do. If a review upsets you, just ignore it. Don’t like, don’t read.
2h agoThat argument is inherently flawed, how am I supposed to know that I wouldn’t like what you said before I even read it? I read something I found to be controversial and I have a right to be mad, when I see a problem I want to correct it, you are one such problem. This is especially true when the thing I read was written intentionally to upset others, don’t you dare tell me that isn’t why you’re doing it, its very clearly true, everybody knows it. You claim that I have the option to be upset, and that your words have no power unless I let them upset me, but that isn’t how things work at all, am I supposed to set aside my opinions of how people should behave just so I won’t be upset? I’m going to be fucking upset about shit in this world, because I have values, and when something betrays those values I get upset because something has defied what I have determined to be the way things should be, my goal and everyone else’s goal in life should be to prove that their system of thinking is the correct one. Whenever people ignore what makes them upset they are essentially putting their own beliefs aside so that someone else can get away with something they shouldn’t, I’m not about to do that, my feelings will not be second to yours, I think you were wrong, and I am determined to speak out about it.
secs ago[This is especially true when the thing I read was written intentionally to upset others, don’t you dare tell me that isn’t why you’re doing it, its very clearly true, everybody knows it.]

Why are you arguing with me if you’ve already decided what the truth is? If you’re not willing to believe anything I say, there is no discussion to be had here.

But hey! You want to slay the mighty dragon? Show me how it’s done. I will cease reviewing if you agree to review stories yourself, and I will even adopt some of your strategies if you get better responses than me. Do that, or admit this was never about actually helping anyone.

32m agoI’m arguing with you because even though you know that you are in the wrong you do nothing to change yourself and it negatively impacts others. I’m not going to pretend that I’m not doing this for my own sake because I definitely am, this isn’t about helping anyone, I just want to see how far I can take this, how far I can push you to defend yourself. The negative impact you have on other people isn’t something that gives me personal conviction to go after you, it’s merely a tool I use to argue against you. I’m not doing this to help the people of http://www.fanfiction.net, I’m doing this because I don’t like the way you operate and I want it to change. But you’ve given me a way out of all of this, a proposition, if I review stories then you will stop reviewing stories, well I already do review stories, though not as frequently as you, and I have received pretty positive responses because I don’t nitpick about minuscule shit that slipped through the cracks when the writer was editing their own story. So i guess I already beat you to it, or maybe you want me to write more reviews, but that’s for me to decide, I fight on my terms not yours, the balls in your court buddy, what’s your move?
secs agoNah, I know I’m in the right. Like so many of my haters, you’re projecting like woah.

[I’m not going to pretend that I’m not doing this for my own sake because I definitely am, this isn’t about helping anyone, I just want to see how far I can take this, how far I can push you to defend yourself.]

Cool, I don’t care. Bother someone else if you want a dick-waving contest. Meanwhile, I’ll be here actually getting things done.

You will indeed need to review as frequently as me, and for obvious reasons you will need to declare the day in advance so I don’t step on your toes. I’m not going to stop reviewing unless you can adequately replace me. I will also be judging for myself whether your responses are more positive than mine, which means you will have to compile them and submit them to me somehow. If you can prove your way is better, I may change my style.

5h agoYou say haters, and yes they do indeed hate you, but when the majority of people believe you are wrong the truth becomes self evident, at this point it should be so re enforced in your head that your reviews are completely necessary that I am seriously in awe that you are able to continue doing so. In the midst of so many people, myself included, telling you you’re wrong and calling you out, I really have to wonder what it is that continues to convince you that you’re right. It seems as if everything you touch is destined to turn right around and bite you, one quick look around and that becomes obvious, so if you would, tell me why you think you should do this, what exactly is your motivation? Of course if you’re tired of talking about this that’s fine too I guess, I could argue with you for ages. Also don’t say things like “Meanwhile, I’ll be here actually getting things done.” like what you’re doing is important or something, like you arguing with me isn’t any different from the reviews you write. I’ll have to turn down your offer as well, I really don’t feel like being a reviewer, and honestly, your position is not grand enough that it needs replacing. I want to make it perfectly clear that you do NOT need replacing, very few people if any at all would complain if you up and vanished, you don’t need a replacement for this site to function, people don’t need your reviews to help them grow, you are nothing but a detriment to these people.
secs agoNope. The majority of people believe I’m right, and have told me so.

[I’ll have to turn down your offer as well, I really don’t feel like being a reviewer]

Then we have nothing more to discuss. You’re a coward. The next time you see a review of mine, know that you could have stopped it and did nothing.

9h agoYeah well you’re a peepee head and I hope you get slightly less macaroni then me at lunch

St Elmo’s Fire,

A new review has been posted to your story.

Story: Do No Harm
Chapter: 5. Dreams and Hopes

From: Bubalubagus ( https://www.fanfiction.net/u/7741310/ )
Reply URL: https://www.fanfiction.net/pm2/post.php?rwid=261441666
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You are a pee pee head and I hope you get slightly less macaroni than me at lunch

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hey ive been seeing ur
31 Maycharontine
hey ive been seeing ur ~concrit in the pokemon tag for a while now n i might aswell say it considering i no longer write and haven’t for years but i can’t help but feel like what you’re doing is really weird? like, sure whatever i get that stuff about wanting to ~improve the quality of people’s fic, extremely noble and amazing goal no one asked u to do and everyone should congratulate u for etc, but the pokemon tag is mostly populated by amateurs most of whom are between the ages 13-17? you’re an adult, i’m assuming way past the cutoff age of 18 looking at when u joined the site, so don’t you think it’s kind of… weird to go out of your way to interact w stories sometimes obviously written by people over ten years younger than you and give unsolicited comments under the guise of ~concrit? like, even just a little weird?

not tryna fool myself into thinking you’d consider this or anything but this is the kind of interaction that wouldn’t fly if it happened IRL lol so maybe be aware of that & by the way i sure do wonder why you’d even associate w someone who seems to write nothing but animal abuse and human x animal. for a kid’s show.

it’s astounding how ive seen ppl criticize u for your tone or accuracy or niceness or whatever yet no one’s taken a step back to examine how goddamn freaky it is for an adult to hang around the tag of a kid’s series, where a lot of the writers are kids or teens or otherwise inexperienced, and constantly give comments no one asked for under the guise of Helping. feel free to post this on ur site or w.e to make fun of me now that i’ve said my piece, i’m assuming nothing i say will stop u being weird n invasive to strangers in the internet lol

secs agoPokemon was released in 1998, buddy. Adults have always been in this fandom and it’s way more “invasive” of you to try to police how they’re allowed to spend their time.

But hey! You want to banish me from fandom? I won’t touch anything while you’re writing your own reviews. Do that or admit this was never about anyone but yourself.

4h agolol u sound annoyed, all i did was mention what you’re doing sounds extremely suspect & literally no one cares if an adult is in fandom as long as they know their boundaries n stay in their lane. that’s basic decency.

“adults have always been in fandom” cool, and creepy adults who don’t know what online boundaries are have always existed. nice to accuse me of being invasive when i send you a message on private while you do all your criticism in public n then post replies to it elsewhere.

secs agoYeah, I am annoyed. That was a really rude, nasty, and ignorant thing of you to say, and it’s a mentality that hurts more people than just myself.

You’re the one who needs to stay in your lane. This is a public website with a public comment feature. You don’t get to yell at people for using a website feature the way it’s intended to be used. If you’re so upset by that concept, there are plenty of websites that don’t work that way. Go there instead of whining that some websites suit other peoples’ needs and not yours.

And once again, none of this matters, because I’m handing you my Kryptonite on a silver platter. So long as you review then for one day I will not review, guaranteed. If you don’t take my offer, any reviews I make that day will be your fault. So what’s more important? Protecting authors, or telling me off?

7h agoplease explain how i’m supposedly hurting dozens of people by calling one person creepy in a private conversation. cool how when you speak your mind it’s all fine n good n apparently free from consequences cuz if s
7h agosomeone doesn’t like that then they’re whiny and just need to stay in their lane n be quiet. also like why are you predicatqin
7h agowhy are you predicting this on the assumption that people are asking you to review every single story in the archive like it’s something you’re obligated to do? it isn’t and no one is asking you to do this thing you’re seeing as a noble cause or whatever. also sorry for breaking up this into multiple PM’s my internet crapped out for a sec there
secs agoSo, telling me off is more important then. Good to know this was never about any actual moral principles.
1h agodude just admit you just wanna say what u want online without any repercussions & don’t care for the consequences instead of going thru weird mental gymnastics to justify it, it’s transparent but at least it won’t look this funny when u can’t argue back abt being called a creep & make smth up about me oppressing weird adults & have to resort to “Why Aren’t YOU Doing This Act of Public Service Then” which is something literally no one asked you to do yet you duck behind it like clockwork every time you hear a dissenting voice. it’s ok to admit you wanna be creepy publicly on the internet.
5 JunYou still haven’t explained, privately or otherwise, a good reason why you think you’re free to speak your mind online through public comments and reposting PMs and yet someone who calls you a creep for being an adult who leaves dozens of unasked comments on strangers’ stories a week is “invasive”, “whiny” and has a “harmful” mentality and “needs to stay in their lane”. Or for that matter explaining the completely straightforward analogy you made comparing internet strangers disliking you to women who were literally burned to death over false charges, as in, explaining how the two are remotely comparable at all.

You’re not a victim nor are you being oppressed because some strangers don’t like you or because they respond to your comments which they did not ask for on unprofessional, non-commercial stories which they were not paid to write. That’s just a normal consequence of saying whatever you want, and hiding behind an online screename doesn’t change that. The fact that you’re an adult man should mean that you have plenty of chances to be outspoken in real life as it is.

Please let me know if there’s a deeper explanation for the double standard, because I sincerely wish to understand. Otherwise the only thing I can think of is that you just want to say whatever you want online without consequences under the banner of free speech, which is far from uncommon or revolutionary when it comes to men.

Also if you can point me to an instance where someone’s life has been ruined because of them being considered, conclusively wrongly, a creep at worst and suspect at best for going through the literally dozens of new stories posted in the tag every week, for years, leaving largely-unsolicited comments on them, and then reposting every single resulting private response on their blog, please do so. I’ll apologize and change my ways if such a case exists – because adults may have always existed in fandoms, but it’s also the case more often than not that when an adult in fandom is called a creep, especially if they associate with the kind of people who wrote human x animal stories and who made an entire forum topic dedicated for people who disagree with them, there’s good reason for it. 

secs ago[You still haven’t explained, privately or otherwise, a good reason why you think you’re free to speak your mind online through public comments and reposting PMs]

Nope. I did exactly that only two messages ago. If you’re not going to read what I say, why do you think I’m going to waste time explaining myself to your specifications?

Really. Do you think I’m an idiot? I know this has nothing to do with these ideals you purport to hold and everything to do with finding any excuse to attack me, just like literally everyone who has ever said this to me except one. You’re not the first and you won’t be the last. It’s all there on Dragon Quill, but I know you’re not going to look it up because you’d rather prove exactly why I need to record these conversations.

You want to change my mind, light a candle instead of cursing the darkness. If you won’t protect even a single person from my “creepiness”, you are a coward and a hypocrite and I want nothing more to do with you.

11 Comments

  1. Ghost says:

    …Pretty sure guy number 2 was just a troll. It’s pretty wildly known that thei are adults in the Pokémon fanbase, they make a point to interview adults when they do the anniversaries and stuff.




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    1. GoldenFalls says:

      It seems more likely to me that they’re a person from Tumblr who genuinely believes that. “Think of the children, no-one in fandom should be over 18! If you’re over 18, no one wants you here, so you should leave and get back to doing adult things instead of being creepy in a children’s hobby” is a very pervasive mindset there.




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      1. Keleri says:

        It’s fun how the goalposts are walked back depending on the age of the poster, too.

        “Wow those 18-year-olds in fandom are so gross!!!”

        (2 years later)

        “Wow those 25-year-olds in fandom are so gross!!!”




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        1. Farla says:

          I’ve seen twentyfour-year-olds throwing fits about those disgusting twentyfive-year-olds who should get out of fandom and leave kids like them alone!!!

          It’s like they don’t understand that the concept of time applies to them.




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          1. Act says:

            To be fair I’m pretty sure everyone from ages 14 – 22 believes that.




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            1. Heatth says:

              I don’t know. I remember at that age I loved to know there were older people in my fandom. “See dad? [insert anime here] is not a kid show! Look at how many adults are there!”.




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          2. CrazyEd says:

            Me, age 19, discovering Tumblr fandom culture for the first time: Wow, these gross 22 year olds need to get out of fandom and stop being so creepy about a subpar television show.

            Me, age 22, right before leaving Tumblr for the first time:  Wow, these gross 22 year olds need to get out of fandom and stop being so creepy about a subpar television show.

            Me, age 25, after coming back to Tumblr: Wow, these gross 22 year olds need to get out of fandom and stop being so creepy about a subpar television show.

            Fandom: Not even once.




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      2. Farla says:

        Interestingly, Blaze tried to do this while at the same time trying to pull rank by supposedly being totally an adult – Dragon’s Blaze specifically claimed to be early twenties (22 or 23, can’t remember, and that she had a job and her own place) while the lstwill56 claimed to be twentynine, which is why everything they say about fandom is adult truth that can’t be contradicted, but I and St Elmo’s Fire need to get out of fandom because it’s for twelve year olds only.




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      3. Indiscretion says:

        Person 2 really grinds my gears.

        [sure whatever i get that stuff about wanting to ~improve the quality of people’s fic, extremely noble and amazing goal no one asked u to do and everyone should congratulate u for etc]

        [under the guise of Helping]

        [why are you predicting this on the assumption that people are asking you to review every single story in the archive like it’s something you’re obligated to do]

        [dude just admit you just wanna say what u want online without any repercussions & don’t care for the consequences instead of going thru weird mental gymnastics to justify it]

        It’s like they don’t realize that people want things for the reasons they stated for wanting them, nooo, it’s all secretly a bid for getting worshipping because that’s really actually what you want and the only thing that’s good for people is what they expect. Mostly this is a totally out of left field interpretation of St. Elmo’s Fire for me, so, eh. Author, if you do show up, please clarify. 

        [don’t you think it’s kind of… weird to go out of your way to interact w stories sometimes obviously written by people over ten years younger than you and give unsolicited comments under the guise of ~concrit? like, even just a little weird?]

        [you’re doing sounds extremely suspect]

        This is so loaded. They what they mean by weird, and is talking around the bush rather than just fucking say that they think you’re a pedo or something. I can’t really figure it out but I think that’s because the person didn’t figure it out either, and is just repeating stuff that tripped their unusual-meters (can’t touch it with a ten foot polethat stuff needs to be BURNED) without thinking about why, and if it really is worth whatever they’re thinking of. There are so, so many reasons why that is horrible. 

        [yet no one’s taken a step back to examine how goddamn freaky it is for an adult to hang around the tag of a kid’s series, where a lot of the writers are kids or teens or otherwise inexperienced, and constantly give comments no one asked for under the guise of Helping]

        In summary, why is this freaky?

        [i sure do wonder why you’d even associate w someone who seems to write nothing but animal abuse and human x animal. for a kid’s show.]

        [who made an entire forum topic dedicated for people who disagree with them]

        I HATE THIS SO MUCH. jesus. It’s like the person skimmed the summaries for everything Farla wrote and went, ew they wrote about things that I think are gross so what they wrote must be gross!! Like, they didn’t read it, it’s not animal abuse at all, it’s dehumanization and person abuse, and the moemon stuff is obviously obvious. And I don’t really care to pick apart how someone might think that having organization for the things people disagree with you about is a bad thing. 

        It makes me think this person is someone who hears, well they’re captured in balls and they making woof and bark sounds and they make smily faces so obviously they’re meant to be slaves pit fighters our willing and happy friends. Because they’re not literally in a pit, see? Taking keywords and concepts and instead of putting them together, they use that to identify stuff. It’s for a kids show so obviously it is happy and everything that occurs in it is good, because you go off the assumption that it’s great and twist everything else into saying how great it is, instead of the other way around. It’s everywhere and it’s so fucking annoying, and it’s not just pokemon.

        The other reason this bothers me a lot is because they’re criticizing the rights of stuff they don’t like to exist. Like, only icky people would write icky stuff like this. Don’t they see the problem with this? People have real stories of bad things that happened to them or dreams that don’t fit the mold and people don’t want to hear and instead decide to ignore its existence or associate the bad with the person themself, and where the line is the most fragile and important no one will dare to cross.

        Personally, Farla’s Another Verse was and has been really important to me. The parts of it that affected me the most are the ones this author hates existing the most, that is, seeing things for how they are instead of the constant everything-is-okay that changes reality and mentality till they fit it, organizing ideas and beliefs and how they’re put together rather than OH GOD OH GOD you’re all archetypes.

        [it’s astounding how ive seen ppl criticize u for your tone or accuracy or niceness or whatever yet no one’s taken a step back to examine how goddamn freaky it is for an adult to hang around the tag of a kid’s series]

        It’s nice that they’re noticing deeper problems, and they’re going against the crowd, just the whole reasoning behind that is so twisted and yet so common.

        [someone doesn’t like that then they’re whiny and just need to stay in their lane n be quie]

        READING COMPREHENSION IS IMPORTANT, YOU SERIOUSLY JUST TOLD ST. ELMO’S FIRE TO STAY IN HIS LANE.

        [me oppressing weird adults & have to resort to “Why Aren’t YOU Doing This Act of Public Service Then”]

        Huh, maybe it really just is ‘weird that is setting off alarm bells yet I can’t explain why’ and STRANGER DANGER adds up to gatekeeping yay! Don’t bully people, asshole. 

        [the completely straightforward analogy you made comparing internet strangers disliking you to women who were literally burned to death over false charges, as in, explaining how the two are remotely comparable at all]

        I guess witch hunting is on the banned phrase list now. I mean, I’m actually okay with being leery about it because of the historical connotations, but it should be pretty common for people saying that to mean “a campaign directed against a person or group holding unorthodox or unpopular view” and not having anything to do about women at all. 

        I’m also kind of confused because nowhere in this post does St. Elmo’s Fire mention witch hunting. Maybe they’ve been following along some review or response posts?

        [You’re not a victim nor are you being oppressed because some strangers don’t like you or because they respond to your comments which they did not ask for on unprofessional, non-commercial stories which they were not paid to write]

        Well, there’s one point they definitely missed. I explained it well enough above, hopefully. 

        [someone’s life has been ruined because of them]

        Sigh, I suppose this is everyone’s argument in the end. I guess, it’s cool that there’s a united place to cut the rope of insanity. Copypastas ftw!




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        1. Farla says:

          I can’t really figure it out but I think that’s because the person didn’t figure it out either, and is just repeating stuff that tripped their unusual-meters (can’t touch it with a ten foot pole, that stuff needs to be BURNED) without thinking about why, and if it really is worth whatever they’re thinking of. There are so, so many reasons why that is horrible.

          I think we may be at the point where the newer people don’t understand the subtext that was justifying this. They just know everyone else they see is recoiling from weird things so weird things are bad and have to go away.

          It’s like the person skimmed the summaries for everything Farla wrote and went, ew they wrote about things that I think are gross so what they wrote must be gross!!

          To see if it was impure would mean seeing impureness and being tainted. They really do not read past the summaries and we’re now dealing with a culture of people who think verifying anything is in itself a sinful act. I had a PM from someone demanding I justify how I could think real life incest was okay on the basis I wrote a story about how Asriel/Chara would be super fucked up that mentioned the pairing in the summary.

          I kind of wish I had paid more attention to how things slowly shifted from “Farla is awful because she writes about animal abuse which means she doesn’t care about people” to “Farla is awful because she writes about animal abuse which means she tortures animals”. When it started popping up I dismissed it under the umbrella of people just being mad about something petty (reviews/capitalization/etc), asking for reasons that’d sound more legitimate to complain about, and the resulting game of telephone confusing things.

          Taking keywords and concepts and instead of putting them together, they use that to identify stuff. It’s for a kids show so obviously it is happy and everything that occurs in it is good, because you go off the assumption that it’s great and twist everything else into saying how great it is, instead of the other way around. It’s everywhere and it’s so fucking annoying, and it’s not just pokemon.
          The other reason this bothers me a lot is because they’re criticizing the rights of stuff they don’t like to exist. Like, only icky people would write icky stuff like this. Don’t they see the problem with this?

          This particular person probably doesn’t, but for the broader movement, it’s a feature.

          If certain things aren’t allowed, and even just thinking about them is exactly as horrible a thing to do, then you’re at the mercy of whoever gives the orders. You can’t actually read what something says let alone have opinions about it, because the sin might get on you and once you’re tainted it never comes off. And conversely, if someone is certified as pure, they’re completely safe and to question or think about that is also a bad thought that makes you a bad person. Also, if someone you listen to turns out to be a bad person, that would make you exactly as bad, so anything bad said about them has to be a lie.

          (People have pointed out it’s probably not a coincidence that this new generation was raised on purity rings and abstinence-only education.)




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  2. Keleri says:

    Them: Why don’t you just stop!!!
    Elmo: A compelling argument. Would you like to review instead?
    Them: No
    Elmo: Understandable, have a nice day.




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