The Other Pokeauthors, Part 43

“A decade ago was way different than today. A decade ago, all Pokemon names were in all caps. Now we have official games where everything is lowercased but the species name is STILL capitalized. So, YOUR facts are the ones that are wrong. This is their universe, their rules, their spelling.
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But what it sounds like you’re saying, to me, is that J.R.R. Tolkein, one of the most celebrated authors of the 20th century, would also be a bad writer by this assumption. In Lord of the Rings, he capitalized the word “Ent” which is a species. According to you, however, that is not a word which should be capitalized according to your specific doctrine. How, then, do you explain that?”

Review Reply
March 11Epicocity
A response to your review at https://www.fanfiction.net/r/12395283/

Shut up. If you’ve seen any of my stories, you would know that I pay attention to that detail. I can’t help it if the site decides to screw that up.And no, don’t leave your PM and tell someone to take it to the thread. I’m going by official publication material, like MOST PEOPLE DO. That’s what is important. Not even publication material but all official subs and in-universe material is written with it capitalized, so you, good sir, are wrong. Good day.

secs ago[And no, don’t leave your PM and tell someone to take it to the thread. I’m going by official publication material, like MOST PEOPLE DO. That’s what is important. Not even publication material but all official subs and in-universe material is written with it capitalized, so you, good sir, are wrong. Good day.]

You really think you’re the first person to say that? You are the reason I tell people to go to the thread instead of wasting my time with arguments that were debunked a decade ago.

4m agoA decade ago was way different than today. A decade ago, all Pokemon names were in all caps. Now we have official games where everything is lowercased but the species name is STILL capitalized. So, YOUR facts are the ones that are wrong. This is their universe, their rules, their spelling. If you need me to give you an example to prove the point of what it is, I am MORE than happy to.
secs agoAh yes, the games that gave us such accurate models of writing as “No matter how far away things are, a Pilot’s eyes can see them!” and “Legendary Dragon-type Pokemon”. They also highlight all item names red and blue, so I suppose you plan to do that too? Video game writing is not screened for grammar in the same way novels are. They can be wrong.

1m agoConsidering that Trainer Classes (oh no, category capitalization) and Pokemon species are very consistent across the board in all forms of media, text in the game, so forth and so on, this is THEIR intention. Who are you to say you’re better?

Plus, the fact that I’ve just won a Best Author award in a fanfic competition, I’ll kindly thank you not to talk like YOUR rules that YOU and YOUR part of the community have decided upon are the right ones, when everything else runs counter to it. It doesn’t matter what you think, it’s their intent and thus what it is.

secs ago[this is THEIR intention]

Japanese does not have capital letters.

This is the sort of thing you would know if you read the thread, which can be found at https://www.fanfiction.net/topic/11834/55376155/1/Capitalization-Thread

3m agoBecause OF COURSE they’re not published by The Pokemon Company, who are in direct contact with expert translators. Of course, they must not accurately convey the Japanese intent…sure, let’s assume they’re wrong.

If I were to write an original fiction, decide to have a species called a Skorgle, complete with capitalization, who would you to tell me I’m not spelling it correctly? And I’m serious here…who are you to tell me something I’ve created isn’t spelled the way it should. The same rule applies here when there is consistency across the board.

secs agoThe thing about grammar is that it’s objectively how the language works and all writers have to obey it regardless of what they feel is right. This is kind of how we have a coherent language everyone can understand and not this:

bartleby . com /40/0101 . html

1m agoI’m sorry, but you didn’t even answer the question. But what it sounds like you’re saying, to me, is that J.R.R. Tolkein, one of the most celebrated authors of the 20th century, would also be a bad writer by this assumption. In Lord of the Rings, he capitalized the word “Ent” which is a species. According to you, however, that is not a word which should be capitalized according to your specific doctrine. How, then, do you explain that?
secs agohttps://www.fanfiction.net/topic/11834/55376155/1/Capitalization-Thread has the answer.

4m agoFine, I obliged you and took a look…learning nothing.

It looks like one person decided their opinion on this subject was right, others argued, and people like you jumped on the happy ship. In other words there is no actual consensus on the subject, and you therefore have no right to determine how or why it should be done that way. Are there certain rules of grammar? Yes. But this kind of thing is one that evolves with the work itself, and not one you can determine as being “right” or “wrong” for other authors.

secs ago[Are there certain rules of grammar? Yes.]

And this is one of them. Common nouns are not capitalized.

2m agoNo…no it’s not. It’s a rule you are adopting and applying to a fantasy world with its own set of logic. You see, this is what people like you do: ignore any argument that is valid to suit yourself. You know what? Fine. You win. I’ll block you, because you guys are pretentious and pedantic over something you actually have no authority over. Good day.

secs ago[No…no it’s not.]

I think you might be genuinely confused by capitalization rules.

re: Your review to The Psychic
March 11XetaJTS
A response to your review at https://www.fanfiction.net/r/12394646/

This is not my story, i am writing this for someone else, don’t ask me why they asked me they did. I am sorry about the errors but this is more of a side project. This introduction sucks i know! But it is how it is, i am not that good at writing like this and i was being rushed while making it. My main story i am working on is Pokemon Revival and I have put a lot more time and effort into it. I am being rushed and this project wont be that long, it seems the person who wants this just wants me to do the movies with this character. Right now i am going to fix this awful character.

re: Your review to The Psychic

3h agoA response to your review at https://www.fanfiction.net/r/12394646/

Hey want to let you know that i fixed the transition from Giovanni, fixed him being better towards his Pokemon and also want to point out why the Pokemon are capitalized is because those are they’re quote on quote names, so it is just easier for me to do it that way. Anyway i digress. This is not my main story this was a request, i am not very good at this writing style, you want to see better, go look at the story i put major time and effort for the past three months.

re: Your review to The Psychic

3h agoA response to your review at https://www.fanfiction.net/r/12394646/

Btw sorry about that but thank you for the feedback, it does indeed help and i am sorry i wrote this character so bad.

re: Your review to Pokémon Sun and Moon-Reimagined
March 12GreninjaMaster14
A response to your review at https://www.fanfiction.net/r/12395457/

Thanks for the advice, I’ll do what I can.

re: Your review to The Minister
March 12Coco-Bunny313
A response to your review at https://www.fanfiction.net/r/12393106/

Hello! Thank you for the review! I’m just a little confused with some of the things in it.What do you mean by generalized scene transitions?

Can I have a little more elaboration on why you’re disappointed? I never said the humans are miserable – the ones who have been broken out of the brainwashing are miserable because their friends and family are not normal, not reacting, but the ones who are still under are extremely happy, as they don’t have to do anything that makes them sad. It wasn’t supposed to be a story about pokemon liberation.

secs ago[What do you mean by generalized scene transitions?]

A standardized scene break, like a symbol or horizontal line rather than an “x minutes later” note or such, then you explain the time/location in the narration if it’s important. You see this is published books a lot.

[It wasn’t supposed to be a story about pokemon liberation.]

Your summary led me to believe otherwise, and furthermore — in that case, I just don’t see why you’re making this a Pokemon fanfic in the first place? This looks like the same kind of general dystopia you see in all the YA novels these days. You could probably remove the Pokemon elements and actually publish it.

2m agoMmm
Going over your review and going back over my story, I’m regretting putting it out. I’ve realized that it’s not ready yet, and still has a while to go. Thank you for the tips and advice though!
 
re: Your review to Top 10 Pokémon from Alola
March 13VideoGamer13
A response to your review at https://www.fanfiction.net/r/12394632/

Just shut up, or I’ll block you!

secs agoThe rules and their consequences still exist regardless of whether you choose to ignore them. Your entry is at risk of being taken down without warning at any time. I would recommend placing it elsewhere for safekeeping.

For once, this actually worked.

10 Comments

  1. CrazyEd says:
    With how long you’ve been doing this, have you ever figured out a possible reason why people will fight so hard to have capitalized names for pokemon species? It’s gotta be something more than just a general backlash to criticism.



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    1. Sandstorm says:
      People like what they are used to, in general. Most people don’t base how they write on arguments. Also, I think the arguments against capitalizing pokemon species names are pretty weak (I haven’t contributed to the thread because I don’t think it would be particularly productive, but weird capitalization in fiction really seems to me to be only slightly more “objectively wrong” than things like using the Oxford comma vs. not using the Oxford comma, using two spaces after a sentence vs. using one space after a sentence, using spaces around a dash vs. not using spaces around a dash). Catering to a typographical pet peeve that seems to only be important to a small number of people probably doesn’t seem particularly useful or particularly appealing to authors.



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      1. Farla says:

        Are you similarly fine with reading a story where half the professions are capitalized? Where Apples are capitalized and oranges aren’t? Because that’s where we actually ended up, so yeah, that’s what it’s supposed to prevent.




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    2. Keleri says:

      IMO the capitalization thing is subjective*, so the way the copypasta and the thread present it as irrefutably true makes it a foothold to (fallaciously) reject the entire review and abuse the reviewer. Unfortunately Farla/Mini-Farla’s reputation is “that person who’s soooooo crazy about pokemon names” and people will derail the conversation in that vein.

      Then again I sometimes click on Farla or Mini-Farla’s stories and see all the rape threat comments because they dared to suggest that someone’s grammar was wrong or that they shouldn’t capitalize pikachu, and I’m like “fuck ’em”.

      *I do think it’s more immersive not to capitalize and it makes it clear when someone is saying the species name as a name, but I can’t think of any Critical Grammar Failures it would prevent akin to those that, say, the Oxford comma defuses, such as “I’d like to dedicate this book to my parents, Ayn Rand and God.” Consistency in capitalizing or not would be my recommendation, whenever I get around to actually reviewing peoples’ fic.




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      1. I can’t think of any Critical Grammar Failures it would prevent akin to those that, say, the Oxford comma defuses

        All the pokemon whose species name is their given name. Even that might not necessarily be a problem, but with how often people drop articles and referrents too… Grammar mistakes compound one another, so it’s best to nip it in the bud.




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        1. Keleri says:

          On the other hand, I’ve had a couple of itchy moments not capitalizing attack names– I have to rely on context to make it clear that it’s a glare or a Glare or a roar or a Roar, lol.




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          1. Oh, I actually do capitalize attack names. I assume they are distinct, officially-recognized techniques rather than general actions, even though that sounds a bit game-y.




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      2. Farla says:

        It’s also not a neutral choice otherwise. I made it standard because other people were going around telling everyone who didn’t capitalize that they’d made a mistake and needed to fix it.

        I also said that doing this would lead to ever more ridiculous capitalization, and here we are with our Potions and our Berries and our Moms.




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        1. Keleri says:

          It’s also not a neutral choice otherwise. I made it standard because other people were going around telling everyone who didn’t capitalize that they’d made a mistake and needed to fix it.

          Ohhhhh, interesting, it’s been a long time since I actually saw someone say that not capitalizing was wrong.




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        2. someone says:
          Dont You Want Everyone To Type Like Kanaya Maryam?

          (whoops, I was distracted and hit the wrong button and reported instead of hitting reply at first)




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