The Other Pokeauthors, Part 71

Someone discovers the SYOC Shadow War and gets pissy. Otherwise, nothing of note.

SB OC Submission
Sep 13I’d like a form, but I’ll also need some idea of what the story is going to be about if I’m to make a suitable character.
13m agoSomeoftheFame
Suitable character? That’s really funny, you may wait and copy-paste an OC for the next SYOC to come along. Thank you for the interest, but because the form has bits similar to the last character form I sent you, the one you seemed to struggle with following the guidelines for, I don’t think I’ll be sending a form your way, that goes for your sister as well, for a different reason, if she manages to wander in my direction, have a good day.
secs ago[the one you seemed to struggle with following the guidelines for]

It would be easier to not struggle if you told me what I did wrong instead of just giving me radio silence.

11m agoBecause you’re someone who goes to such consistent lengths in his efforts to ‘guide’ people toward better writing I didn’t feel it was necessary for me to waste time telling you what you did wrong, a simple check of the form on your part would have done that for me. I also didn’t believe you cared about why you weren’t accepted because the character was likely recycled, but I suppose I could break it down for you if it was outside your realm of understanding. The guidelines were clearly stated in the form, in each section, what I was looking for the creator of the character to give me, you even commented on them as you ignored them, and proceeded to paste in paragraphs of characterization that I didn’t request or need. I hope you find my answer satisfactory and that going forward in your future efforts you might follow the guidelines authors provide for you more carefully as we are trying to make the best out of less than ideal characters you send, again, have a good day.
secs ago[I also didn’t believe you cared about why you weren’t accepted because the character was likely recycled]

I don’t follow your reasoning?

[and proceeded to paste in paragraphs of characterization that I didn’t request or need]

If you didn’t need a personality, you didn’t need detailed character submissions in the first place. If you want something specific, you’re almost always better off making your own characters. And you kinda proved my point, considering that story flamed out after only five chapters.

secs agoAlso –

[that goes for your sister as well, for a different reason]

Well now I’m curious! What’s the reason?

37m agoI’m not surprised you don’t follow, but let’s move on, this is getting tired. Regardless of what you think an author should include or whether their reasoning for having an SYOC is valid in your opinion, I did want original characters, from various sources, with quirks and ticks original to their origins, and I got them. I did ask for a personality, one word that generalized them, if you can’t follow that simple request or think it’s pointless, or too much of a challenge, whatever your reasoning might have been, then just know that isn’t the story for you, and move on. Contrary to tradition, you don’t need to submit to every SYOC. While we’re on the matter of my form, I enjoyed Farla’s OC, she did a really great job at filling out the form and her character was among the most interesting and vivid for me to understand long before I got to the character traits section. I feel the need to reference her as I suspect just saying I got good characters wouldn’t suffice as you seem to hold a low opinion of the writers and readers of this site. Whether people agreed with my methods, or the form, I still received a number of wonderful submissions, all without complaint, unlike you. And finally, to close off what I hope to be the last response, BQH was stated from the beginning to the be a short story and to clarify, it only has six chapters, the final of which is on hold until I finish Yearning for the Mud which I’ve been writing weekly to wrap up before October, at which I’ll have time to dedicate to wrapping up BQH before I put time into Sub Rosa, not like it was any of your business. Just because I don’t fall in line with the juvenile author you might expect to find when you leave a review or engage with them through PM, and posting them to dragon-quill won’t be as fun or as interesting as it is when you find a kid who has a pre-formed notion about you and is chomping at the bit to cuss you out (although I do hope I make another appearance on your site) doesn’t mean you need to try and attack my story for your own benefit. Nothing has flamed out except for your OC recycling game, I’m just prioritizing, try someone else with your non-sense.
29m agoAs far as Farla goes, I’ve just developed a bad liking to the two of you and would rather just not have you two involved my in story outside whatever reviews you might leave and adding my SYOC to the community listing, because that’s actually very helpful. I don’t count on people desiring to have a character in my stories, I’ve just come to see where one of you goes the other trails behind and as a courtesy to her, if she saw Sub Rosa and thought she might want to request a form, I just wanted the word passed along so she didn’t have to waste her time. Of course you don’t have to play the messenger boy, I’ll take a page from your playbook and copy paste my response to her if the occasion arises.
secs agoAh, that’s actually quite reasonable. Thank you for answering. For the record, I am genuinely impressed that you are the one of only two authors to write a successful SYOC story (and the only person to write Chara correctly).
“Nothing has flamed out except for your OC recycling game” Because other peoples’ inability to write is my fault, clearly.
Story
Sep 13BlackLucario19
A response to your review at https://www.fanfiction.net/r/12650203/

no, pokemon is under games

secs agohttps://www.fanfiction.net/topic/11834/165132256/1/World-TagsActually read the review, please.

19m agoI did
 
re: Your review to Time Away
Sep 14electricpants
A response to your review at https://www.fanfiction.net/r/12647394/

Thanks for being honest with your review!

If you’re wondering why they’re pokemon…
…Well, there’s definitely no good answer to that. Personally, I think it’s just like that awful 2016 movie ‘Sing’, where all the animals are functionally humans, but are animals ‘just because’, so I guess i’ll remove or discontinue TA here and maybe post it somewhere where I can upload original fiction.

Also, thanks for pointing out my grammar issues, didn’t know Grammarly (I use that for spell-checking) was that bad for fanfics. :P

And I never use quotes for thoughts, though. I always italicize thoughts.

Reply to your review
Sep 14Team ArcanetheGreat
A response to your review at https://www.fanfiction.net/r/12651528/

Hello St. Elmo’s Fire, that is one of the two members of Team ArcanetheGreat, the one who began writing this story.

Thank you for your response. I had no idea that this was the improper format for character dialogue, and for that, I’m sorry for the inconvenience. I do intend to call the pokemon by their normal names, like Ash’s pikachu being called Pikachu. Rane’s eevee is named Eevee. There. Also, Anime is the Tv series right? If so, then I’ll pick Anime.

From, Team ArcanetheGreat

11 Comments

  1. CrazyEd says:
    I hope you find my answer satisfactory and that going forward in your future efforts you might follow the guidelines authors provide for you more carefully as we are trying to make the best out of less than ideal characters you send, again, have a good day.

    Wow, this guy is just… wow. This whole thing is just… I don’t know how you manage to remain civil doing this, dude, I really don’t.

     Just because I don’t fall in line with the juvenile author you might expect to find when you leave a review or engage with them through PM

    This is kind of an interesting way of putting it. This whole exchange feels like something a teenager with a teenager’s sense of superiority might say far more than most of the typical people who get reviewed here. Usually, when I think you should go easy on someone because they’re a teenager who doesn’t know any better, I know that I’m probably mistaken because I still have the assumption that most fanfiction writers are 14 when they’re actually far more likely to be 22. But this is just so much more condescending, in such a typically teenage way, than the rest of the people who have deemed you a conspiracy because they found your blog.

    This guy is technically correct about not falling in line with the typical person you review, but not in the way he thinks.




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    1. I don’t know how you manage to remain civil doing this, dude, I really don’t.

      Well, it’s easier when they’re civil. When people are coherent enough to tell me exactly why they’re upset with me, it’s much easier to address their points and to gauge whether arguing is worthwhile in the first place. In this case, I mean… they do kind of have a point, even if they are being a dick about it. I am knowingly putting square pegs in round holes. The point of doing so is to show that all SYOC is putting square pegs in round holes, but if they have somehow managed to get SYOC to work for them, there’s nothing I can really say to that.

      Really, if you think this is unusual, you haven’t been following the blog long enough. :p This attitude is really no different than the usual fare, it’s just got more passive in its aggression.




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      1. CrazyEd says:
        When people are coherent enough to tell me exactly why they’re upset with me, it’s much easier to address their points and to gauge whether arguing is worthwhile in the first place.

        See, that makes sense. That’s not what I’m talking about. It’s stuff like this guy. If I was in your shoes, things would’ve gotten fucking catty here, really goddamn quick.




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  2. Farla says:

    Huh. I was expecting a reason, but it sounds like they just hate you so incredibly much it’s spilled over to me. And here I was worried people would yell at you for stuff I did!




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  3. illhousen says:

    Jesus fuck. Paragraphs. They’re a thing.

    While we’re on the matter of my form, I enjoyed Farla’s OC, she did a really great job at filling out the form and her character was among the most interesting and vivid for me to understand long before I got to the character traits section.

    Which character was it, by the way? Please tell me it was Lucki.




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    1. Farla says:

      Enos, the kid who doesn’t want to admit he understands pokemon. I’m a bit surprised he was so liked – he turned out to not really work because it’s such a short story, so there’s only time for him to appear and show off more superficial traits, but his weird behavior toward pokemon is where I put the emphasis, so that does show up…but it can’t go anywhere because then he’s dead, so the scene of him being weird at his pokemon is just some mystery that goes nowhere. Between the story’s length and the fact he’s just a supporting character, he really needed the complex stuff gutted and to be reworked down to “insecure, fashion-conscious kid”.

      Which gets back to the SYOC problem of characters not fitting. Characters who show up for a chapter are different than ones who show up for five are different than ones who show up for fifty, but it’s a lot harder to rework somebody else’s character to fit a different slot and it’d just be frowned on to do so anyway. 




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      1. HoodedAuthor says:

        Plus no ones going to write a basic, only-shoes-up-for-one-chapter-then-gets-killed type of character. I dunno if you or your brother have expressed this idea before, but a large problem with syocs is that you end up with a dozen protagonists (and maybe a handful of anti-heroes) all competing for attention, because every author wants their character to be the most important and interesting.




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        1. Farla says:

          That was my original hypothesis but I was actually trying to submit those and people’s general reaction was “ugh, your detailed primary-character type submission was SO GOOD but this is phoned in garbage” even though I was submitting to ones with huge casts. So, a lot of SYOC actually tells people they have to add a whole bunch of extra details/backstory/hidden depths if they want it to be a “good character”. I’m not sure if it’s that people can’t distinguish between crappy and short or because they’re thinking in RPG terms where each trait is a different potential aspect to interact with.




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          1. illhousen says:

            I think it comes down to people not understanding that different characters serve different purposes and what works for one would be useless and distracting for another. They think in absolutes: more deep, more complex, more rounded = better. And nevermind that such characters can only work in major roles.

            I’ve talked before about how people miss how character traits should tie into the conflict, and that feels like another facet of it.




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            1. HoodedAuthor says:

              Maybe the problem could be lessened if more syoc authors used a “how do you think your character would best fit in the story” section in the submission forms, like farla used over on her character bio forum. Wouldnt solve it all together, of course, but it would at least force the authors to think about the characters their submitting  a bit more.




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