The Other Pokeauthors, Part 74

Someone not only goes to the capitalization thread but actually ends up agreeing with it!

re: Your review to Angelwood Elite
Oct 2cookiecastlequeen
A response to your review at https://www.fanfiction.net/r/12671392/

Ok. No one is requiring you to submit a character to my story. Also, there is a difference between this story and my last two. Those stories actually were things I posted with little planning. Learning from my mistakes, I made planning for this story beforehand so I wouldn’t end up deleting it. I just going I would tell you that, and I hope you have a nice day:)

re: Your review to The Truth of an Ideal
Oct 7StreetRacer-Sam
A response to your review at https://www.fanfiction.net/r/12671933/

I will start with the most common issue. Yes, I’m not a native speaker and still learning so it’s only normal for me to make such mistakes. But I’m improving – you don’t have to expect me to miraculously become a top class writer in one day. Looking back at how I used to write a year ago, I definitely can say my pace is more than decent.

As for that usual spamming thing – I’m not sure what I should be saying. I’m not sure on what basis you guys claim it to be right, I have seen other well known and certified writers saying otherwise. So I will most likely leave it as it is, for now.

Now for what you addressed as “dull, nonsensical platitude” that N says in the game before leaving, come again? You are the first ever guy who claimed that and I would expect that you have either read too many N fics where he uses the same phrase or you outright reject his truth/ideals and claim it to be boring – which is exactly the thing that defines N as who he is. As for Hilbert’s expression, I don’t see him jumping out of that hole and committing suicide, which would, for sake of the argument, be an exaggeration. He gave a normal reaction that a teenager would give in this situation – and let’s not forget no teenager go through what he did. Now, it can’t be helped that they decided to use kids as the protagonist of these games/anime and let them control some deadly fire-breathing monsters. But even that wouldn’t change either the biology of a human child and his/her development. So that, in every regard, a very normal reaction that a teenage kid would give after going through such thing.

I am not an avid reader here, and I have no clue how many stories are based on this premise. And just to be clear, this short story simply covers up the events between both BW and B2W2 games, where Hilbert travels around the world to bring N back home. Now I haven’t seen a story like this around, but if there is one, please do tell. So unless it has been done before, this story IS unique. At least on Wattpad, it is, where all I see is N X Hilda romance fics and not Hilbert and N’s friendship. As for why didn’t I skip this scene, this story wasn’t initially supposed to be on http://www.FanFiction.net at all. I have a wider audience (on Wattpad) which is not even limited to fanfics only. Without this scene, I doubt they will ever understand what is going on. Not that I expect them to understand everything in case they didn’t play the games or don’t know about the plot.

And before you would put your point of the argument forward, I should as well tell this to you, this story is my entry for Pokemon Wattys 2017 on Wattpad – not your usual fanfic put up for, simply, other’s amusement. It just came to my mind suddenly that why not share it on http://www.FanFiction.net as well. It’s not really going to harm anyone, would it?

Regardless of everything, thanks for the review.

secs ago[Yes, I’m not a native speaker and still learning so it’s only normal for me to make such mistakes. But I’m improving – you don’t have to expect me to miraculously become a top class writer in one day. Looking back at how I used to write a year ago, I definitely can say my pace is more than decent.]

Okay, sure. You don’t have to feel bad about it. But you are still making mistakes, and the story was hard to follow. If I see authors make mistakes, I point them to resources they can use.

[As for why didn’t I skip this scene, this story wasn’t initially supposed to be on http://www.FanFiction.net at all. I have a wider audience (on Wattpad) which is not even limited to fanfics only. Without this scene, I doubt they will ever understand what is going on. Not that I expect them to understand everything in case they didn’t play the games or don’t know about the plot.]

You’re writing a character-focused story about characters from another work. I’m sorry, but there is no way to make that work for people who aren’t already invested. They don’t have any emotional attachment to N or the things he did, and just summarizing or describing the events that happened isn’t the same. At the least, you should have posted two chapters at once, so people can see the start of the plot and not just the recap.

[you outright reject his truth/ideals and claim it to be boring]

I do. I think the resolution to Black/White’s plot was an utter farce, and the truth is far more boring than the theories people had. What’s the point of challenging the status quo if you’re just going to end by saying everything was fake and the status quo is completely fine, no need to think any further about anything? It’s fair if you disagree, but that is my view.

And, yes, there are a lot of stories like this. Yes, most of them are with Hilda, but Hilda and Hilbert are both silent protagonists with no personality and are therefore completely interchangeable. All of them have the exact same format as this — everything is focused around the humans and how very sad they feel about each other with zero consideration for the pokemon. Even if you want to focus on the humans’ relationship, pokemon rights was still a major part of N’s character and his conflict with the PC, and I feel it’s a disservice to brush it off. Even if you want to adhere to canon’s awful resolution, there is room to interpret it. It’s given that the PC’s pokemon like them, but WHY do they like them? What does a good trainer look like, exactly? Show, don’t tell. Simply saying that the PC is a saint without any real evidence to back it up is exactly what I hated the most about the canon plot.

4m agoNo worries. I don’t feel bad about it. It only irritates when people point it out without any solution.

Posting two chapter together was something I was planning to do, but lack of time prevented me. And I wanted to read it at least once again to make sure there are no major typos that can be a huge turn-off. But I would keep that in mind for my next story – whatever it would be.

I get what you mean. That is, basically, something that will be decided upon your creativity. One can point out certain things which makes a perfect trainer (not in the sense of Mary Sue but the why their Pokemon like them). If this would have been a longer story, chances are I would have thrown a few Pokemon at least who would not like their trainer (which you refer as PC here).

FanticLAGuy06’s series “The Road to be a Pokemon Master” is something I used to look upon a few years ago. But as I grew up, both as an individual and as a writer, my mindset also changes and I started noticing how many things are wrong in there and how much I absolutely hate some of them. He makes a lot of Pokemon hate their trainer and in cases, let them run away or being released by the trainer – which is good. But giving a miraculous happy ending to every single thing completely ruined it for me. And there are many several aspects of the story that completely turned me off, to the point I stopped reading his work a long time ago.

Back to my story – I would have done something to oppose the theory that Hilbert’s (I would refer him with his name) Pokemon absolutely love him because this is absolutely rubbish, and I will admit it, but I have reasons. That was a game and I am totally not following the exact same premise. I DO make changes everytime I work on fanfic to try and make it stand out from others. Why didn’t I do it here? This is a short story and I have a limit of 8000 words. I did mention that this my entry for Pokemon Wattys 2017 short story category and there are rules that I have to follow. So I’m only limited to Hilbert right now and cannot portray how those Pokemon feel and their rights and stuff…you get the drill.

As for why Hilbert’s Pokemon liked him, I hardly believe that the reason is some sort of rubbish unless we are talking about the game. In my story, in my every story, I make sure that if a Pokemon like his/her trainer the reason is stated which, in most cases and simply defined, is bond formation. Traveling together for so long and even staying together for the rest of their lives, it is only natural for them to grow closer. There would be, of course, some issues between them on occasions. If I am planning to keep the two together and forever, it would somehow (and logically) be sorted out, and if I don’t, things will go rusty for them. But this, again, is a short story and I am limited.

 
Unasked-for Advice
Oct 7TabathaEvans
A response to your review at https://www.fanfiction.net/r/12677021/

Thank you for your review on my story. I’m sorry that you didn’t like it, but it’s generally considered rude to leave commentary like that if the author hasn’t asked for it. I’m not having a very good day, and it’s taking a lot of effort to not get angry. Please just leave me alone.

secs agoI’m sorry you’re having a bad day, but I could not have known that. You posted your work on a public website with a public review feature. If you don’t want comments, you have to explicitly say that.
11m agoI didn’t mean that I didn’t want comments. I mean:

1. On capitalization
That is an issue that the fandom is very much divided on. There is no general consensus; ergo, there is no one “right” way to do things. In all likelihood, the author has heard both sides of the argument, and have chosen to go with the one that feels right to them. In stating your side, you are being less helpful and more irritating (and condescending).

2. On the word “drabble”
It is true that originally, the word “drabble” pertained specifically to pieces one hundred words in length. However, it is far more common nowadays to see authors specifying that their work is “a 100-word drabble,” “a 250-word drabble,” or even “a 500-word drabble.” This usage is still correct; the lingo of fandom, like any other language or dialect, grows and evolves over time. In other words, the meaning has changed.

So when I say, “commentary like that,” I am not referring to the criticism. (I found your advice on the lack of characterization and general plot to be very helpful.) I mean your claims that are not logically supported with generally accepted facts. Sorry for the confusion.

secs ago[I mean your claims that are not logically supported with generally accepted facts.]

You do realize the point of a review is to state an opinion and not a fact, right? Truthfully, I’d rather not have to talk about objective mistakes at all.

[However, it is far more common nowadays to see authors specifying that their work is “a 100-word drabble,” “a 250-word drabble,” or even “a 500-word drabble.”]

Except you did not provide any of those specifications in the summary, so I’m not clear how this is relevant to this discussion.

[there is no one “right” way to do things]

https://www.fanfiction.net/topic/11834/55376155/1/Capitalization-Thread

No, this is not a matter of opinion. Capitalizing pokemon is objectively incorrect by the rules of English grammar, and my side can indeed back that up with facts. If you want to argue, take it to the thread, where those facts have been outlined exhaustively already.

secs agoOkay, I have taken the time to read the thread in its entirety, and it has brought up some great points (I was about to use the argument that maybe the species name is also the scientific name, and found out a new and interesting fact about Oddish [Oddium wanderus]). I concede that you are right about the proper grammar of capitalization.

My point on the word “drabble” was the fact that some people specify at all. The mere fact that specification is necessary implies that the meaning of the word has changed from what it originally was.

Additionally, though I agree that you are right on the capitalization issue, I will not change my usage in this fic or any other, simply because it IS a stylistic choice. It is true that one of the choices is correct and one is incorrect, but at the end of the day, it is still a choice, and I have the right to choose to be incorrect. This might not make sense to you; intentionally choosing to be wrong is a confusing decision. It is, however, the decision I have chosen to make, simply because I feel that my mistake does not substantially detract from the experience. I write fanfiction for fun, not to be exhaustively correct.

 
Yeah yeah
Oct 8ChaosLuu
A response to your review at https://www.fanfiction.net/r/12678359/

Kk I’ll go check it out

re: Your review to Aiming For Kalos Victory
Oct 8LZWriter
A response to your review at https://www.fanfiction.net/r/12680362/

Not going to lie, I had a hard time understanding your review at first. But I quickly saw what this was about and have to say thanks for this. Grammar has never been something I’ve been great with. And since this is a rewrite, I do plan to fix all the mistakes I made with the original story, including grammatical errors. So I’ll refer to the links as I’m writing the chapters and editing. The most helpful thing I read from this is handling thoughts. I’ve never known the proper way on how to handle these.

Anyway, it might take a while for me to adapt to these changes. I’ll do my best to follow these guidelines and hopefully my writing to be more grammatically correct.

re: Your review to Pokemon: Treachery of Ash Ketchum
Oct 8ErikaChang
A response to your review at https://www.fanfiction.net/r/12680458/

I do have a few questions in regard to your review(some are slightly out of topic, please bear with me):

1. Will the story be still situated in Anime world category despite the involvement of game characters?
2. How often do you make criticisms in reviews to stories, particularly Pokemon fanfictions?
3. Are you going to look forward to this story, especially if there are corrections made from what you pointed out?

P.S. It’s rare to see constructive criticism nowadays in the community. Most reviews I’ve seen from a particular story would be either praises or flames. So truthfully, I appreciate that you took your time to point things out in my story.

Thank you in advance!
-ErikaChang

secs ago[Will the story be still situated in Anime world category despite the involvement of game characters?]

Most of the game characters are blank slates, so I would still say yes, it’s primarily anime-related.

[How often do you make criticisms in reviews to stories, particularly Pokemon fanfictions?]

Often.

[Are you going to look forward to this story, especially if there are corrections made from what you pointed out?]

No, sorry. I’m not familiar with the anime. Thus why I’m a stickler about the world thing.

re: Your review to His New Life
Oct 9MidnightJadeYT
A response to your review at https://www.fanfiction.net/r/12265630/

i appreciate the critisism but i’ll write the way i normally do with my stories as many people have liked them as they are. i do this for fun not professionalism

re: Your review to We Were Friends Once
Oct 9rachel.weck.5
A response to your review at https://www.fanfiction.net/r/12681815/

I first tried the anime/manga and didn’t find Pokémon so I went searching for it. will try to get it that way but formatting seems to be an issue with me still
thank you for the review.

secs agohttps://www.fanfiction.net/topic/11834/165132256/1/World-Tags gives detailed steps on how to select worlds.
3m agoThank you for the help. anything else you think might help I would be happy to listen to
 
re: Your review to A new side of him
Oct 9Unkown Meloetta lover
A response to your review at https://www.fanfiction.net/r/12681903/

I changed it thanks for catching my mistakes sorry I’m new her

re: Your review to Chapter 1, Part 1: A New Beginning
Oct 10IAMDARANDOMARTIST
A response to your review at https://www.fanfiction.net/r/12681630/

Thanks for that St Elmo!

Sorry about the punctuation I’ll Improve the description, as for plot I don’t intend on spoiling that yet.

Re: Review of Heroes of Eden
Oct 10Cataru
Hello. I wanted to take a bit of time to go over each of your elements in your review. I don’t mean to seem defensive but I thought that I’d hit each of these

But pokemon still aren’t people? Well not to the extent that they would be able to buy houses or similar (they probably wouldn’t if they could)

This would be a bad idea even if FFN didn’t mangle links. This is just distracting. Accept the limitations of your medium. This I admit is somewhat true, I was REALLY hoping to make it work until I saw the mangled link.

This is a summary, not a first chapter. Remember that your first chapter is your opportunity to hook your reader – you don’t need to put all your cards on the table, but you need to have something to show. What is the plot actually about? Readers should know this by the end of the first chapter. This I admit I messed up on and didn’t recognize. Though in my own defense I was basing it on the Bluebean comic (what inspired me in the first place) and made my chapter similar to his first page. Though I understand that I messed this up.

Even by the standards of AUs, this doesn’t really have anything to do with Pokemon. It appears to functionally be an original fantasy setting. I strongly recommend publishing this as original fiction with an “inspired by” label on the top instead. This is the only one I don’t get since I feel that there is a grandiose difference between a world that is Pokemon and what this would be as a ‘fantasy’ setting. would you want to elaborate on this?

secs agoFor future reference, you can reply to reviews by clicking on the little dialogue bubble button in the top-right corner. This automatically provides a link to the review, which is easier for me.

You say that humans and pokemon can freely communicate with each other in this setting. Surely if something can talk, it should be considered a person? The word has greater meaning than just a legal definition.

[This is the only one I don’t get since I feel that there is a grandiose difference between a world that is Pokemon and what this would be as a ‘fantasy’ setting. would you want to elaborate on this?]

Well, a big part of the problem is, as I said, that you haven’t actually shown any of the story or how these setting elements work in practice. You would have to elaborate on this yourself. But from the summary you’ve given, I don’t see how the pokemon in this setting are meaningfully different from elves, orcs, and other fantasy races.

re: Your review to Adventures in Kanto-The Next Chapter Part 1
Oct 11pokegurl23
A response to your review at https://www.fanfiction.net/r/12679969/

Thanks for pointing that out. I will go back and edit the story once I look at the links you supplied. Yes, there will be a plot in my story when I figure out what it is. You’ve been a huge help. :)

2 Comments

  1. CrazyEd says:
    Those stories actually were things I posted with little planning. Learning from my mistakes, I made planning for this story beforehand so I wouldn’t end up deleting it.

    I wonder how much actual planning this entails.

    Yes, I’m not a native speaker and still learning so it’s only normal for me to make such mistakes.

    You really need that “only perfect practice makes perfect” copypasta. What happened to that idea?

    At the least, you should have posted two chapters at once, so people can see the start of the plot and not just the recap.

    Is there some reason why people don’t do this? Like, is there a risk of people not seeing the first uploaded chapter because only the most recent one is displayed in your subscriptions thingy or something?

    Maybe it’s because even the longest fic I’ve posted is still comfortably under 10,000 words, and my average wordcount is… only 2958, it seems, but the only reason I’ve even vaguely considered posting a complete chapter of an incomplete fic so far was because it had been awhile since I’d posted something, and I decided not to because I knew I’d probably like to change something later on down the road while writing later chapters.

    Posting two chapter together was something I was planning to do, but lack of time prevented me.

    I think this might actually be the first time I’ve seen someone use this and actually have a deadline they had to meet to justify rushing it.

    Additionally, though I agree that you are right on the capitalization issue, I will not change my usage in this fic or any other, simply because it IS a stylistic choice

    So close.

     i do this for fun not professionalism

    Incidentally, when I showed my newest story to a friend (who is not at all a fanfiction person) who might’ve been interested in it, part of his response to it was actually praising how the technical writing made it feel more like “proper book writing” than typical “mass fanfiction quality”.

    The story is based on that urban fantasy thing I’ve mentioned a few times before in the past, and back when I wrote it purely for my own eyes it was far less professional. In fact, it was more of an outline of a story than a proper story. But when I decided to actually make something meant for the eyes of other people, I wrote it properly, and the experience of the reader was improved because of it. This might sound odd considering my past comments on how terrible my ASOIAF fic series is, but what do people have against taking pride in their work?

    Well not to the extent that they would be able to buy houses or similar (they probably wouldn’t if they could)

    You should probably write a forum post about Pokemon As People one of these days.




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  2. Septentrion says:

    You should probably write a forum post about Pokemon As People one of these days.

    That’s pretty much covered with the pokemon intelligence thread.




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