The Other Pokeauthors, Part 96

“I couldn’t care less how you feel about my grammar use. I’m having fun and that’s what matters.”

And another author insists that I’m doing reviewing wrong without providing anything new.

Answer
4 MarYorugan
First: Thanks for you critisism, I’ll see if i can get the formal things out of the way.
Second: I’m not trying to write an amazingly correct story with perfect English. The reason i chose English instead of German is.. well have you heard the German language? its garbage i cant even attempt to write something in German, I hate it. Also I’m just writing this story for fun, if you don’t like it then just don’t read it.
And lastly just a little human advice from my side. People probably wont exactly care about your advice since your stories don’t seem to be very popular. Of course i don’t have many readers myself but i don’t read stories just to find flaws in someones writing. No one asked you to do so. I appreciate useful critic but yours sounds more like hate to be honest.
secs ago[I’m not trying to write an amazingly correct story with perfect English.]

Okay, but other people would like to read stories without tripping over mistakes all the time. The purpose of proper grammar is to make communication easy. If you won’t even try to abide by it, that’s extremely rude and inconsiderate to your readers. If you refuse to write in your own language because it’s garbage (it… isn’t, by the way), I don’t understand why you think it’s acceptable to write garbage in another language.

 
re: Your review to Harmony In Hoenn
4 MarGleeAdorer123
A response to your review at https://www.fanfiction.net/r/12857685/

Thank you, i appreciate the review, it will help me become a better writer

 
Response to your feedback!
4 MarResting Deeply
First off; thank you. I am a native speaker of English but I don’t have too much experience writing and sounding good while doing it. Your feedback is a huge eye opener for me and I appreciate the time you took into writing it for me.

However, each person writes at their own skill level and strength. For someone who has been writing for ages I’m sure these mistakes would be rare and huge but for someone who doesn’t write Pokemon much this is to be expected.

Like I left in the authors note at the end, this is my first adventure write. It takes place in Kanto and yes runs off of the games but I have my own plan for it of course. I’m not expecting it to do well – I’m not expecting it to get much attention at all. But the way I choose to write it is of course the way I choose.

Now I know I requested feedback and, like I said up there, I appreciate it a ton! But I’m no veteran writer and asking if English is my first language based off of spelling errors and the lack of a spell check is a little harsh. I’m sure you have your reasons but we are all entitled to our own styles of writing and mine is just from the heart. Whoever likes it will like it. Whoever doesn’t? Oh well.

Thank you again, by the way.

secs ago[For someone who has been writing for ages I’m sure these mistakes would be rare and huge but for someone who doesn’t write Pokemon much this is to be expected.]

Yes, they are, but I’d rather they weren’t. By teaching authors correct grammar, I can reduce these mistakes, ideally until they are not so commonplace.

2m agoI can definitely say that assuming English isn’t my first language isn’t teaching me anything except how grammar nazi’s are on http://www.Fanfiction.net
secs agoThere are a lot of authors here who aren’t native speakers. It is a reasonable assumption to make. Maybe you should take the fact someone mistook you for a nonnative speaker as a hint you need to improve your grammar. Grammar exists for a reason, and that reason is to make writing easier to understand. Be considerate to your readers.
1m agoI didn’t submit this FF to get public attention. I simply wanted to put my ideas of an adventure on this site. If the readers dislike it, I trust that they will let me know. Until then, I appreciate your feedback but this isn’t your story. I couldn’t care less how you feel about my grammar use. I’m having fun and that’s what matters.
re: Your review to Break It
4 MarZ. Bridgett of Harte
A response to your review at https://www.fanfiction.net/r/12857068/

Thank you for your review! Before I actually respond to it, I would like to provide you with a critique of your review. Please keep in mind that critique is not criticism; critique includes helpful tips, slight criticism, and what you liked about my work. Currently, your critique is missing the positive aspect necessary. I have no idea what you liked about my story. If I were a new writer, this would discourage me immensely rather than feeling helpful. Before you mention it, yes I checked your profile and I know your (possibly out-of-date) opinion on positive critiques. If this perspective of yours is current, please realize it sounds harsh and rude; no one wants only criticism. Now, onto your actual review.

First, I am going to disagree with the capitalization thread. I know it’s aimed specifically at Pokemon and how there are drastic changes between each generation on what is capitalized and when. I honestly don’t care. I believe that it is a stylistic choice. I choose to keep the dialogue that I lift from the game the way it is. I choose to keep the convention of capitalizing “Pokemon” and any Pokemon’s name. A lesson in grammar is something I need not. If you argue with me by saying this is already addressed in the attached article, please note this line: “Your existence proves your country’s education system is a sick joke. Please include your location when posting so we can tally them up and see who “wins”.” This line is extremely rude. Yes, not everyone comes from a background with competent education, but that shouldn’t matter. There is cultural history behind so many words and mannerisms and dialects. Everyone is allowed to have their own style; it reflects who they are. You don’t take Picasso and force him to paint Dali for the rest of his life. Please don’t force people to conform to a single style.

Second, I’m a bit confused about your question “So pokemon aren’t people?” If that’s a continuation of your first critique, then I’ve addressed it. If not, I’m missing some context here.

Third, I read Farla’s argument. They believe in always starting the story en media res. Personally, I hate writing en media res. The first chapter is supposed to be a type of prologue, but “Chapter 0” isn’t currently possible on either AO3 or FFN. This is another stylistic thing and is supposed to be barely a scene. And honestly? It’s the summary that’s supposed to entice the reader. The hook is supposed to come within the first five pages, which includes the next chapter in the story. This is legitimate story-publishing advice.

Thank you for your critique. I do wish that next time you use your own words or state at least one positive thing, if not for me, then for all the other writers whose motivation and inspiration you could be crushing.

~Bridgett

secs agoIt’s really rude of you to ignore simple requests. As I said in the review, if you want to argue about capitalization, go to the thread instead of talking to me.

[Second, I’m a bit confused about your question “So pokemon aren’t people?” If that’s a continuation of your first critique, then I’ve addressed it. If not, I’m missing some context here.]

You used the phrase “pokemon and people”. This places pokemon in a separate class from people and thus implies they are not people.

[Currently, your critique is missing the positive aspect necessary. I have no idea what you liked about my story.]

People are not obligated to like your story. If that upsets you, you don’t have to post your work on a website with public comments and you don’t have to reply to the comments you do get.

37m agoYou brought up the capitalization issue first. I was only trying to address it. You obviously wanted a response since you brought it up again.

Now I see what confused me; the brackets are you quoting me. I’m not used to that. Also, yes, Pokemon are not people (in most cases). I don’t see what you’re trying to imply here.

You are not obligated to review my story. If that upsets you, you don’t have to post your reviews on a website with public reviews and you don’t have to respond to my helpful advice. Please note that possibly a majority of stories you “review” are written by children and people learning how to write. I’m just trying to get you to be more kind. Criticism after criticism destroys creativity and prevents people from writing anymore. If you’re planning on becoming a book editor, this is the kind of stuff that will get you fired.

secs ago[You are not obligated to review my story.]

Yes. I choose to, regardless.

Most people actually find my reviews helpful, precisely because they are not, in fact, pure criticism designed only to destroy creativity. I do not say, “This is wrong.” I say, “This is wrong because…” If you disagree with my “because…” that is fine, but don’t presume to speak for the majority without evidence.

[Also, yes, Pokemon are not people (in most cases).]

All pokemon can speak, according to N and the anime. They are people.

1h agoI was only trying to get you to be more kind in your reviews. The world isn’t that nice and we don’t have to make it worse. We can change it by being kind. I understand that you are trying to be helpful, but I don’t believe you are aware of the tone of your reviews. They sound condescending, to be honest. I don’t speak for the majority. I speak from my experiences and the knowledge that there are people who are scared of reviews and are ashamed of their work because it isn’t up to par with the ideas they had in their heads or other people’s expectations.

You do realize that Break It is in the Games category, right? I put it there because I’m going off the games and not the anime. I use “people” synonymously with “human.” The two times I even use the phrases “Pokemon and people” or “people and Pokemon” are when I lift lines from Lysandre or Sycamore. The quote in the summary is what Sycamore says when you pick what you look like in the game. I don’t disagree that Pokemon are sentient; I just don’t use “people” synonymously with “Pokemon.”

53m agoSemi-related question, but why are you so invested in this, in reviewing stories? What you say in your profile makes it seem like a chore.
secs ago[I speak from my experiences and the knowledge that there are people who are scared of reviews and are ashamed of their work because it isn’t up to par with the ideas they had in their heads or other people’s expectations.]

If you’re ashamed to be told how to fix your grammar mistakes, you’re not emotionally mature enough to be posting your work publicly in the first place. There is no shame in admitting that, but you must take your self-care into your own hands. Post on a personal blog, or Tumblr — nobody responds to anything on Tumblr.

[I use “people” synonymously with “human.” The two times I even use the phrases “Pokemon and people” or “people and Pokemon” are when I lift lines from Lysandre or Sycamore. The quote in the summary is what Sycamore says when you pick what you look like in the game. I don’t disagree that Pokemon are sentient; I just don’t use “people” synonymously with “Pokemon.”]

Yes, and that’s because the games are badly written. I’m pointing it out so more people think about the implications of the phrase and put more thought into their writing than the original writers did. Sentient beings should be synonymous with “people”.

Questions about why I do this go here — different reviewer, but my answers are similar: https://www.fanfiction.net/topic/11834/24493256/1/NaRe-Review-FAQ

Apparently, I did not articulate myself properly. When I said, “I speak from my experiences,” I refer to when I was younger and not exactly knowing how to write a story but being ambitious enough to try. I refer to when I saw other people’s work and wanted to emulate that kind of brilliance in my own writing. I refer to how I was scared of what other people would think, if they would like it, if they understood my story, if they anticipated the next scene. When I said, “I speak from my experiences,” I refer to how I hardly post anything in Spanish because it is my second language, because it is very nuanced, because there are tenses and moods we don’t have in English.

I am not ashamed of my grammatical errors. I like when they are pointed out; most of the time, they end up being atomic errors. However, you haven’t pointed out a single error of mine. You’ve just criticized my stylistic choices, which is extremely rude. When I mentioned shame, I should have mentioned frustration as frustration over the image of the work in the head differs from the image of the final product on paper. Also, thank you for discrediting any and every Tumblr artist. I’m sure they’re as annoyed as I am at your lackadaisical dismissal of all their work. People do respond on Tumblr, but obviously not in any way you’ve experienced.

Up to what game have you played? I’ve found that since Black and White onwards, the writers have only improved in their craft. Let me frame your response with a question: Are dolphins, elephants, and gorillas people? They’re sentient creatures too.

Remember how I said that I wish you would use your own words? Well, I wish you would use your own words instead of Farla’s. You sound like a mindless parrot when you

I want you to realize how rude you sound. I am trying to be kind and not shout at how frustrating this is that you aren’t understanding the way your tone comes off. Please, remember to be kind. You don’t know what kind of day the other person behind the screen has had.

8h agoWAIT I HIT A BUTTON

I didn’t complete my thought. Hang on. The response doesn’t sound correct.

8h agoSo everything up to the paragraph about Farla is what I meant to say. Here is the rest:

Remember how I said that I wish you would use your own words? Well, I wish you would use your own words instead of Farla’s/ You sound like a mindless parrot when you refer to them and never give your own answers. You could be like Farla and have an FAQ, but you don’t. You’re approximately 23 years old. You are allowed to be your own person.

Unless you prefer to sound rude and snarky with your answers. Some of the questions she responded to were legitimate reactions that authors have. When you don’t say anything nice and you only criticize–note that solely criticizing as you do, even without the “help” that people didn’t necessarily ask for–it makes authors believe their work is shit, that they can never be like the person who inspired them to write, that they can never be successful. For most people, fanfiction writing is practice. You know how artists practice sketching and then post it online? Fanfiction is the exact same way, but for writers. I see no reason why you should be so harsh. Many “bad writers” are children who are starting to learn, adults who never had the chance to try, or people with English as a second or third language.

You and Farla are killing their creativity by being rude. You have to tell writers at least one thing, no matter how small, they did correctly. That small positive comment is what will keep writers going and actually activate the change that Farla is looking for. They want to change social dynamics? You can’t have change when you’re driving the people who can invite the change away. And Farla, since I know you’ll read this eventually, “not fucking up” is a good thing. Rick Riordan–the author of countless children’s novels, the editor to his son’s novels, and the head of a new publishing brand–celebrated not fucking up with one of his characters. He wrote a genderfluid child and was told that he didn’t do a terrible job. And. He. Celebrated.

You two need to remember to put good in the world. You’re both in your mid 20s at the very least. Do onto others as you would have others do onto you. Be kind.

secs agoI asked you, politely, to take this to the thread. I have a very good reason for why I ask people to take discussion to the threads. You keep refusing this simple request every time I ask it of you. If you’re going to show such appalling disregard for me, why do you expect me to listen to anything you say?

If you want to chat about my reviewing style, respond in the thread: https://www.fanfiction.net/topic/11834/24493256/1/NaRe-Review-FAQ
I’m not going to continue talking about this through PM.

Mar 12I had to take a few days away from this because I was annoyed.

You only told me once to go to a thread, and that was for capitalization. Not once did you ask me to go to any thread that was specifically about critiquing your criticism before your most recent remark. The only reason I can see you wanting me to go elsewhere is because you want more people on your side of the conversation. I see this turning into an argument, so no, thank you. I also see there being no point to furthering this conversation since it will be reposted elsewhere anyways.

Besides that, you haven’t really listened to anything I’ve said either.

Please have a nice day and remember to be kind.
~Bridgett

So on the bright side, someone is at least noticing that harassing progressive authors for being less than perfect is bad. On the less bright side, people continue to not seem to understand what harassment actually is.

re: Your review to Mirrors and Glass doors
10 Marcrybabyash
A response to your review at https://www.fanfiction.net/r/12539696/

Hey, I’m new here and I don’t know how to work on this website.
Thanks for the input, if you’re actually interested in reading my stories then I do have a wattpad account (@-sunshinelou) where all your advice has been taken into account.
(also I forgot to mention it in my description, as I have said, I have no idea how to navigate my way around this website, but the uncapitalized sentences are not a mistake and a writing style I want to follow throughout the story)

peace.

5 Comments

  1. Raven says:

    [Are dolphins, elephants, and gorillas people? They’re sentient creatures too.]

    I wish you’d addressed this point one of the people you critiqued raised; I’d love to hear your thoughts.

    1. St. Elmo's Fire says:

      I mean, I’m generally in favor of animal rights too? Here I was more referring to the fact that pokemon can talk, which is rather more clear-cut.

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    2. Farla says:

      It should probably be “sapient”, but even that’s actually a rather tricky question these days! More and more, we’re seeing that intelligence is far more complex and varied than we thought.

      If children are “people”, then animals only need to show the same level of intelligence to qualify. Elephants and apes definitely make it, as do parrots. Dolphins probably do. There’s also the possible question of moral agency. Can this creature recognize “unfairness”? “Suffering”? If a creature can look at another and then say to you, “What’s happening to them cruel and wrong, and must be stopped!” then should it be considered a person?

      Ironically, the complexity of this debate makes it clear how open and shut the pokemon one is – talking pokemon are written indistinguishably from talking humans.

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  2. Hmm says:

    Bridgett’s got her shit together — sound argument and well articulated.

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  3. Act says:

    Ah, the cult of nice. We haven’t seen as much of that lately.

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