Pokeauthors Special Spotlight: Another Verse

The dyslexic author from before informs me I’m terrible and tells me to do the exact same things people have told us a hundred times before that don’t work. They helpfully demonstrate why they don’t work by simultaneously complaining that I nitpick too much and also that I only nitpicked one thing on their story.

I’m tempted to make some sort of resource post I can point these people to, but FFN’s link stripper probably means it won’t be worth the effort.

re: Your review to Temperance 3- Advent: The Story Of Delia Ketchum
Sep 17WindStar27
A response to your review at https://www.fanfiction.net/r/12653569/Actually, it does NOT belong in just the anime world setting. It uses information (maybe not in the first chapter) that is from the anime AND manga worlds. So, since I can’t pick two worlds, I left it in the ANY category.
Maybe you should ask what information a writer plans to use before just assuming…. Which you seem to do a lot of, from what I can tell.
In the past, you have already stated that you don’t like the way I write, so I would rather you NOT read my works if you don’t like the way I format things and write (In case you forgot- I’m the dyslexic writer that you said you didn’t like the way I format things)- you haven’t said even one complimentary thing to me about my works, and that is just degrading. If all your going to do is complain, then just leave my works alone, please.
This is connected to my other Temperance stories. And they uses NON-anime information (mainly about Team Rocket- such as Madam Boss and Miyamoto: Jessie’s mother), as well. And I use maps from the games for geography- which if I remember right, are a bit different from the anime maps when they are rarely shown….
So, I’m sorry if it bother’s you. But, I’m leaving it as is.
I’m not a member of dragon quill, and really have no desire to be, so I will post a copy of my remark in my next chapter. The main reason I didn’t make a big deal of mentioning that (I mentioned it- just not a full paragraph of it), is because people tend to read all of my Temperance stories, and the information is in the first chapter of the first Temperance story.

secs ago[The main reason I didn’t make a big deal of mentioning that (I mentioned it- just not a full paragraph of it), is because people tend to read all of my Temperance stories, and the information is in the first chapter of the first Temperance story.]

But not everyone is going to. Most authors handle this with a little “This is part of the X universe, where the following things are true…” notification in the author’s note.

[It uses information (maybe not in the first chapter) that is from the anime AND manga worlds.]

Okay, that’s reasonable. It’s not reasonable for you to expect me to know that. If I’m wrong, ignore me and move on with your life.

And yes, I remember you, which is why I didn’t comment on anything else. This was me being nice.

You made a choice to post your work publicly on a website where anyone can say anything to you. You are going to get reviews that are useless or downright rude. You cannot do anything about this. You are not entitled to always get perfect reviews. Stop whining and deal with it. If you truly think completely neutral comments are “degrading”, host your fic somewhere where you have more control over comments, like Archive of Our Own or a private blog.

And if you want me to leave you alone, you need to block me.

56m agoI didn’t think I needed to block you because you seemed somewhat nice (yes, I said you seemed nice. And I thought that we might be able to be friends at some time), and you also seemed as if you didn’t like my writing so, I didn’t think you would read any of my other works. I dont like having to block people.
Also, to me, that was not neutral. You could have said if it was easier to read or not. Or commented on something that you liked (if there was anything that you liked – I assume there wasn’t) as well as saying what you said, the way you said it.
And I’m sorry, but there are also nicer ways to phrase what you said, so that it does come across as more neutral. That’s probably why you need to post these communications publicly: people get mad at you because you come across as something of a nitpicker (that’s the nicest way I could think of to phrase it. I’m sorry if its too harsh) and people get mad at you. You can leave helpful critiques, and neutral comments without people getting PO’ed at you. I have.It just seems as if you are looking for any little critical thing that you could find to say. Its called Temperance #3 for a reason, it usually means that there are other stories before it (and usually, I would go and check out the other stories, if I could easily find them. Because they might be important to the story I was going to try and read). Also…. As I said: there was a comment in the A/N about it using info from all of the worlds. It just wasn’t a long comment.
As for what I said: {“In the past, you have already stated that you don’t like the way I write, so I would rather you NOT read my works if you don’t like the way I format things and write….”}
I wasn’t saying you couldn’t read them. Why are are you reading things from people (waisting your time and upsetting authors) that you know you don’t like the way things are written for one reason or another? I already told you that all of my stories are written the way you take issue with. So its not like you didn’t know. I figured you forgot, that’s why I tried to remind you of who I was. I wasn’t trying to be rude with that.
As for A3O- I have an account there, that, I believe was stated in the author’s notes in the first story you commented on. I post things there that are against the rules here (I cut the parts not allowed here out for posting on here.
I post the full uncut story there, and leave a message here on whatever chapter it belongs to with a place marker like: “lemon removed” or “extream violence removed” for an example, and in the authors notes I say: “please go to my A3O account to read the lemon, if you would like to do so.”)

secs ago[“In the past, you have already stated that you don’t like the way I write, so I would rather you NOT read my works if you don’t like the way I format things and write….”]

This wasn’t about your writing style. This was about one particular thing I did not bring up last time because it didn’t apply. If it doesn’t apply here either, then alright, I was wrong. Now move on with your life.

[It just seems as if you are looking for any little critical thing that you could find to say.]

I literally only commented on one single thing that isn’t even part of the story.

24m ago{“This wasn’t about your writing style. This was about one particular thing I did not bring up last time because it didn’t apply. If it doesn’t apply here either, then alright, I was wrong. Now move on with your life.”}

I mentioned that because I was asking why you were bothering reading any of my works, I have moved on. I was just wondering why you were wasting your time on reading something that you didn’t like. That’s the only reason I mentioned it.

{“I literally only commented on one single thing that isn’t even part of the story.”}
There is my point. You COULD have. Instead of copying and pasting a comment that I can only assume is saved with others, in a document somewhere. It is word for word identical to other comments I’ve seen from you. If you’re going to waste your time reading something that you don’t like the formation of, then why not waste a bit more and try to leave a unique comment?
If you chose your wording a bit more carefully people wouldn’t get PO’ed. That’s the only reason I was/am. You sound like you’re looking for reasons to nitpick about EVERY little thing. And I say that based on reviews I have seen from you in the past on other people’s stories- not just on my own stories.

19m agoSorry, I forgot, you do take your time sometimes to comment about things in some stories. But, still if I googled a sentence from what you posted in either of the reviews you have given me it would pull up pages full of the same comment, word for word, from other reviews you leave. That’s what I meant – I’m sorry. I wanted to clarify what I had said.

secs ago[There is my point. You COULD have.]

Yes, I could have gone over the exact same points you already told me you won’t change. (I could not have gone over story details, which seems to be what you’re fishing for, because I’m not familiar with the anime. This is why I’m so adamant about the world tag thing; I don’t want to be seeing these stories at all, and I wouldn’t have to if people would use the site properly.) I fail to see what that would accomplish.

[If you chose your wording a bit more carefully people wouldn’t get PO’ed.]

I’ve tried. They still do. I’ve been doing this for a long time and this is the best thing I’ve settled on. If you’re going to tell me your way works better, I expect hard evidence, with source links and direct quotes.

In particular, I will not accept any criticism of the copied reviews until you have written detailed grammatical reviews for every story that enters the category for a week straight, as I have. Then, and only then, do you have the right to tell me I shouldn’t make cookie-cutter responses for cookie-cutter problems.

So hey, if you want to prove me wrong, why don’t you go out and review? The category needs it.

10m ago{“- which seems to be what you’re fishing for, because I’m not familiar with the anime. This is why I’m so adamant about the world tag thing; I don’t want to be seeing these stories at all, and I wouldn’t have to if people would use the site properly.)”}

I’m not fishing for anything. If you don’t read a fic at all you shouldn’t comment at all. That’s my opinion. Rather than just assuming, you could check it out, or PM the writer to ASK if they intentionally placed it in that world…. Just because it says ANY doesn’t mean it’s from one or the other. Or that people are too lazy to list a world.
I don’t have the right to make {“- detailed grammatical reviews for every story that enters the category for a week straight-“}.

And:

{“Then, and only then, do you have the right to tell me I shouldn’t make cookie-cutter responses for cookie-cutter problems.”}

Because of my learning disability, I don’t have that right. I am not a good judge on that. I have to rely on spellchecker and grammar and punctuation checkers. My point is, just assuming that something is a “cookie-cutter problem” is not right. You could take a few minutes to ask if something was done on purpose.

secs ago[My point is, just assuming that something is a “cookie-cutter problem” is not right.]

Yes, it is. 99% of the time my assumption is correct, and the author doesn’t even know the world tags exist. My time is better served by moving on to another fic rather than splitting hairs over the 1%. (There’s also the fact that authors aren’t the only ones reading the reviews. People do seem to have become more aware of the feature recently. I think the fact I’ve been advertising it everywhere might have something to do with that.) It’s not on me to make sure every review I make is perfect, because that’s impossible. It’s on the author to filter the information they receive and decide for themselves whether or not to use it.

9m agoYour right there, to an extent. And I am aware that readers read reviews (I already had to defend you on the first review you made to keep a few of my angry readers from agrivating you- its my problem to take issue with. Not theirs)….
But I don’t see what the comment about non-authors reading the reviews has to do with anything that was previously said….. Did I miss something?
secs agoYou said you didn’t like my copypasta reviews. The purpose of the copypasta is to enable me to make more reviews faster. This has two benefits: not only am I expressing myself to more authors, I am also exposing the community as a whole to these ideas, because reviews are public. Even if none of the authors I review accept my arguments, new authors become aware of them by reading the reviews. More reviews means a greater chance of this happening, and standardized reviews also make it easier for people to follow along. (Otherwise we might see things like one person stumbling on a detailed explanation of dialogue while ten others stumble on one where I forgot one piece or made a typo. This would just create more confusion.)
8m agoFaster does not mean its a good thing. People won’t respect your opinion much if they just think you are doing it to get attention…. Reviews that show some thought and effort are respected far more. If the reviews deffinately equated to what they were pointing out/acussing others of, that would be one thing. But grouping everyone into cookie cutter mistake molds is not right in my opinion.
I’ll leave it at that, though, since neither of us plans to give in. You think your right and I think I am. I suppose we will have to just agree to disagree.
secs agoNo, I will not agree to disagree. I have evidence for what I’m saying and you don’t. If you’re not willing to gather that evidence, don’t lecture me.
15m agoHow am I suppose to “prove it”? I don’t obsess over every little or big conversation like you seem to. I’m trying to use common-sense… Which I know is few and far between… I shouldn’t have to prove that common sense still exists. Besides, all I could do is try and look for reviews that I have made over the years (haven’t been reading much lately) but not the PM conversation. I don’t save them when the convo. is over with.
Just because you want to keep arguing I should go and (probsbly) waste my time digging around in my review history? As for you thinking your right and me thinking I’m right… The proof to that (which is what I was talking about when I said agree to disagree) is this whole conversation.

secs agoYou don’t have to look at your review history; you’ve already said you can’t review in the same way. Look at OURS. Dragon Quill has YEARS of data on this, from both me and Farla. Look at what we’ve tried in the past before acting like you know something we don’t.

You are not the first person to make arguments like these. You are not even the hundredth. I am sick of having to make the exact same rebuttal every single time. Read what I said to those people and maybe then you’ll have something I haven’t seen before.

1m agoI have been reading. All I said was that I couldn’t review the way you can. And anyway, if I did, then that would make your point. Not mine. I can make thoughtful reviews, that people respect, that help them, even if I can’t nitpick on their grammar, spelling and the like. That’s what I said before you asked me to prove my case, that those reviews are better than your copy pasted ones. Your giving me a headache now. I tried to end this convo. as nicely as I could, by saying we could agree to disagree. My opinion is mine, and you’re opinion is yours. I’m done going around this argument circle with you. You tell me to prove something I can’t and deny the proof I can offer.
I could have continued to argue that we have different goals in reviewing so their own success isn’t relevant here, but I’ve already argued that before and that’s the point, isn’t it? Their dyslexia also seems to be introducing communication problems; I’m having more trouble understanding them as time goes on, at least.

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  1. CrazyEd says:
     It uses information (maybe not in the first chapter) that is from the anime AND manga worlds. So, since I can’t pick two worlds, I left it in the ANY category.

    Is tagging and categorizing a story based on what you expect it to become instead of what it is as common FFN as AO3? I always wonder what is going through someone’s mind when they add a tag like “more tags as characters appear” to the tag list. Like… yeah, that’s kind of the default assumption, isn’t it? If, in Chapter 15, Chester A. Fuckface makes his first appearance, I’d expect you to add Chester. A Fuckface to the tags list when you post chapter 15.

    Does FFN not allow you to edit tags after you post a work or something?

    In the past, you have already stated that you don’t like the way I write, so I would rather you NOT read my works

    I wonder if anyone who says this realizes that, if what they write is so hard to read that literally only they can read it, it’s pointless to post their work to the internet because they’re not going to want anyone else besides themselves to read their works.

    Its called Temperance #3 for a reason, it usually means that there are other stories before it (and usually, I would go and check out the other stories, if I could easily find them. Because they might be important to the story I was going to try and read).

    This is an interesting point, and I’d love to agree with it, but… of the three story works in the series I am currently working on, the first one basically gives a vague framework of the conceit of the alternate history and the other two are completely standalone stories that only require a vague knowledge of the conceits from the first (if that; I actually think I do a decent job of explaining the context in the works themselves). And I even have an appendix that implies some more differences that I didn’t manage to get to in the first story, that I plan on filling with more supplemental information on how the setting differs from the canon setting as needed.

     “please go to my A3O account to read the lemon, if you would like to do so.”

    As an aside, can someone with a higher Lore: Fanfiction stat please explain to me the etymology of the term “lemon”?

    Because of my learning disability, I don’t have that right. I am not a good judge on that. I have to rely on spellchecker and grammar and punctuation checkers

    Fair’s fair, this is probably the best reason you could get when you ask someone the “why don’t you try it and see how hard it is” question. I’m surprised you didn’t think of that when you were writing this.

    It’s on the author to filter the information they receive and decide for themselves whether or not to use it.

    Every time I post something to AO3, I spend the rest of the day going “argh, someone give me an actual critical review”, but it hasn’t come yet. :(

    It’s a real shame I don’t write (legitimate) Pokemon fanfiction. You’d probably love reviewing it.

    Even if none of the authors I review accept my arguments, new authors become aware of them by reading the reviews.

    I, for one, can attest to this. I actually used Farla’s grammar guide on punctuating dialogue as a guideline for formatting a tricky line (I forget which one) in my last story. Ultimately, I don’t think she had the specific answer I was looking for, but I made a judgement call based on a few of the other examples listed and was moderately happy with it.

    Besides, all I could do is try and look for reviews that I have made over the years (haven’t been reading much lately)

    Is there really no convenient way to find your reviews on FFN? That sucks.

    Their dyslexia also seems to be introducing communication problems; I’m having more trouble understanding them as time goes on, at least.

    It felt like it was getting harder to read for me too. If I had to guess, perhaps they’re writing their responses more quickly due to negative emotion, and aren’t giving them the same level of proofreading they gave the earlier ones? It’s not uncommon for spelling and grammatical errors to work their way into text for that exact same reason, when conversations get heated, even without dyslexia being added into the mix.




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    1. APen says:

      [Is there really no convenient way to find your reviews on FFN? That sucks.]

      There’s a review history feature. It only shows your last 100 reviews, but for most people that’s not a problem.




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      1. It does not show reviews for stories that have been deleted, though. Record everything!




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  2. APen says:

    [You are not the first person to make arguments like these. You are not even the hundredth. I am sick of having to make the exact same rebuttal every single time. ]

    I’ve always found the most compelling argument for copypasta reviews (besides the obvious one about sanity) to be that copypasta ensures that no author will receive a harsher review just because they’re the hundredth person to make that stupid mistake.

    I think you’re running into that problem in your PM exchanges. Yes, these are arguments you’ve heard hundreds of times. You know that, readers of this blog know that, but random authors don’t. It’s a lot of work to type out personlized responses in a consistant tone each time this happens, and it sounds like you’re out of the energy for it at the moment.

    It might be wise to take a break from responding to PMs, as lately the conversations don’t seem to be going anywhere productive, and are leading to a lot of frustration on both sides. 




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    1. You know that, readers of this blog know that, but random authors don’t. 

      Normally this would be true, but this person knows about the blog. They have no excuse.

      I have considered making copypasta for some arguments; since they’re in PM, fewer people will even know they’re recylced! Haven’t narrowed down any yet, though. Peoples’ specific arguments tend to be varied enough that I can’t use canned responses at this stage. (I think I’m going to start linking people to the FAQ thread if they complain about my reviewing style, though.)




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      1. WindStar says:

        Normally this would be true, but this person knows about the blog. They have no excuse.

        All I will say to that, is: Knowing about the site and knowing the full content of the site, and what you do and say on it, are two different things. I only pay attention to things that are said about me, on here, so how would I know what you have gone over again and again.




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  3. Lud says:
     

    Y’know, a long time ago, you reviewed a fic by an author that wasn’t an english native. (I thiiiiiiiiiiink they were French, but I don’t remember for sure).  You told them to write in their own language. And seriously, that sucked. I remember being a kid with even less english knowledge than I have now, but literally nobody I knew liked the same things I liked, so writing in english, online, helped me make friends. (And pick up english words too). Writing and reading in a language not your own is…like a good way to learn that language? Let them learn at their own pace?

    I felt really bad about that kid and the things you told them.

    Now you’re picking on a dyslexic?

    (Don’t say “I’m not picking on them” because you are. You continue the conversation, you keeeeep replying, you’re picking on them. Move on, let them be.)

    You’re gonna start linking people to the FAQ thread if they complain about your reviewing style. Ok. And? That’s your license? Your authority? Okay, I guess.

    I used to just skip these posts because I’m not interested in this style of fanfic reviewing, I came here for the other authors who review professional/published/indie media instead. When I’m notified of a new post, I read the opening sentences and if it’s one of these posts, I just move on.

    I don’t know what you’re trying to accomplish with these reviews. (You’re having fun? Is it Justice in the name of Grammar or something?) The truth is the way you go around it is meanspirited and gatekeeper-ish.

    Maybe “Don’t like / Don’t read” is not such a bad policy when it comes to fanfiction.

     




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    1. CrazyEd says:
      Writing and reading in a language not your own is…like a good way to learn that language?

      He never said “stick to the French speaking parts of the fandom” or anything like that. He was specifically talking about the extremely difficult task of writing fiction in a language you are not fully proficient in which, for the record, is actually an absolutely terrible idea if you want to learn a language.

      Writing fiction in English is not the way to get better at English, or any other language for that matter. Communicating to people in English is. Thinking on your feet in English is. The hardest part of teaching yourself a language is the lack of having a practice partner (who, preferably, is a native speaker of the language) to help you. And that’s basically what writing is.

      With writing, you’re just throwing your words into the wind, and any mistakes you make are just reinforced. There’s no point in practicing something incorrectly. Practice only makes perfect if it’s perfect practice. Doing something one thousand times, incorrectly, only makes it harder to learn the correct way to do something. They’re really not helping themselves by doing this.

      Don’t say “I’m not picking on them” because you are. You continue the conversation, you keeeeep replying, you’re picking on them

      How is that even picking on them in the first place?

      You’re gonna start linking people to the FAQ thread if they complain about your reviewing style. Ok. And?

      And he has had the exact same conversation with probably dozens of people at this point, and it’s really tiring for him to keep having it while keeping a neutral tone, so he’s going to write a neutral response to it and link it when appropriate. Exactly the same way he does the reviews themselves.

      I don’t know what you’re trying to accomplish with these reviews.

      The short version is “to hopefully increase the average level of quality of FFN’s Pokemon fanfiction”, but we’re actually talking about just this very thing in more depth over here.

      Maybe “Don’t like / Don’t read” is not such a bad policy when it comes to fanfiction.

      Speaking from personal experience, this doesn’t sound like such a bad idea, until the overall level of quality is so abysmally low that you literally haven’t found a single decent fic to read in months of concerted looking.




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    2. WindStar says:
      I was keeping quiet, so as to not start a fight, again. But, Thank you for that, Lud. I appreciate it, since what I had said is being turned against me and taken out of the meaning (in some cases) that I intended when writing that. I was getting a headache, and had tried to end it in a somewhat pleasant way. My dyslexia might have gotten the better of me because of that. But I had pointed out that I was getting a headache. And continuing after I tried to end it, was just harassment.

      I’m writing online, in order to deal with PTSD- all because of my dyslexia. I’m trying to get over that and improve my writing abilities by writing online, therapy hasn’t helped. PTSD is hard to get rid of and deal with, and I’ve had for around 24 years now.

      But this?

      Its just really hateful.




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      1. You did not have to reply to me at all. The entire review consisted of one minor thing that wasn’t even correct. As you can see from the dozens of other conversations where this exact thing happens, I probably wouldn’t have even replied if you had left it at that.

        You didn’t. You chose to attack me. You chose to “end it” with an incredibly condescending parting shot that ignored everything I was saying. You take responsibility for this.

        I’m writing online, in order to deal with PTSD- all because of my dyslexia. I’m trying to get over that and improve my writing abilities by writing online, therapy hasn’t helped. PTSD is hard to get rid of and deal with, and I’ve had for around 24 years now.

        I’m sorry that you’re dealing with that, truly. But the internet is not your therapist, and an open forum such as FFN cannot be a safe space. You’re an adult, and that means it’s on you to exercise self-care. Don’t stay in dangerous spaces you can’t control, and don’t start arguments if you don’t have the emotional capacity to fight them.




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        1. WindStar says:
          It was not meant condescendingly. It was meant to end things in a somewhat peaceful manner! I had a headache- Which was caused by you. Some of you here say that I wasn’t understandable, well. You’re demanding that I somehow prove something that I can’t, unless I use my own experience to do so (which you said you didn’t care about- you somehow only wanted me to use your “tried and true” method- to prove my point).

           

           

          I responded to your review in the first place to tell you that you were incorrect in your assumptions.

          Never did I think you would get so aggravated with me and that it would escalate the way it did.

           

          As I said above (in a post that was actually a direct comment to you): I know about the site. Yes. But I don’t know how many times you have or have not gone over something with people. I don’t read everything you post on here. After I’ve spoken to you, I look for things that referred to me (I prefer to know what’s being said behind my back).

          Anyway- I only know how I am responding. Yet you assumed that I knew how many hundreds of times you went over that same issue with others. I only watch this site to see what’s said about me, if anything. Never did I imagine that you would single me out like this. Do you give others the *honor* of a *spotlight*? Or did I just get you that mad? And, I am well aware the internet is not my therapist, thank you. I don’t happen to be stupid. And I knew very well that writing on that site (or any site, for that matter) could bite me in the end. But I’m tired of hiding from everyone and everything. I’m trying to gain some confidence by writing where others can see. You could try to be a bit kinder and not assume that I know about every blasted thing you do or say on this site. I’m not going to keep arguing with you. I just wanted to thank that person for their words and this was the only way I had to contact them.




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          1. It was not meant condescendingly.

            Okay, then I will explain. What we were discussing was not a matter of “opinion”. You were making a claim that I was wrong and needed to change. In that situation, opinions can be wrong, and people will expect you to provide hard evidence.

            In this context, responding to that with “well we all have opinions!” sounds like “Both our arguments are equally valid and also meaningless,” which is wrong and, yes, condescending. Regardless of your intent, that is what it’s going to look like to someone trying to argue facts, like I was. You chose the wrong disengagement tactic. I am sorry about the misunderstanding, but I cannot take people on good faith when they talk like that.

            I responded to your review in the first place to tell you that you were incorrect in your assumptions.

            Yes — and then you also proceeded to attack me on my reviewing style. How did you not expect that to aggravate me? If you don’t want to argue, don’t start arguments. You are an adult. Other people are not responsible for your bad decisions.




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          2. CrazyEd says:
            Some of you here say that I wasn’t understandable, well.

            Actually, at least as far as this PM chain was concerned, it was all understandable. It just seemed like, as the chain went on, your accounting for dyslexia started slipping a little. But, like I said above, it wasn’t really that much more noticable than the level of typos and less coherent thought trains we see from people without dyslexia who are making quicker replies due to some negative emotion.

             It was meant to end things in a somewhat peaceful manner!

            “Agree to disagree” is probably the least satisfactory end for the person who raises the dissent. Think about it this way: If the dissenter would agree to disagree in the end, why did they attempt to convince you of their position in the first place? They could have just agreed to disagree and never raised the disagreement to begin with.

            Do you give others the *honor* of a *spotlight*?

            He does, actually. You can find them by clicking on the “Pokemon author responses” tag of this post and scrolling down a little.

            As of writing, there’s “On Nuzlockes” and the two part “The Journey of ‘The Journey of Aura: Kalos Saga'” (by Farla) on page one; “Armchair Therapy 2”, “The Uberteam”, “A Challenger Approaches”, “On Not-Fanfiction, Take Two”,  “On Servitude”, “In Which I Play Armchair Therapist” on page 2; and “Move Those Goalposts”, “A New Low”, “On Fanon”, and “Concern Troll” on page 3. There are more if you go further in, I promise you.

            Of those, “On Nuzlockes”, “On Servitude”, and “On Fanon” are the most like this one. He’s not specifically trying to call you out, it’s just that what you had to say is an extremely common thing he encounters, and he just so happened to decide to use you as a sample case for it. It’s not a personal attack.

            “The Journey of ‘The Journey of Aura: Kalos Saga'” and “A New Low” are specifically about the people they’re directly focused at.

            I’m trying to gain some confidence by writing where others can see. You could try to be a bit kinder and not assume that I know about every blasted thing you do or say on this site.

            This is probably going to sound more harsh than I mean it to, but confidence that evaporates the moment it’s tested isn’t really confidence. If what you want is to build confidence, I suggest you go back to his original review of your story, and look at each individual suggestion. While you do, keep in mind that they are suggestions, and that he has no power to force you to do anything other than that which you give him.

            Read them again, and decide “does he have a valid point?” If you decide the answer is “yes”, you have two options: Either edit the story to take those suggestions into consideration or keep them in mind when you start writing the next one. If the answer is “no”, then just ignore it, and keep doing what you’re doing the way you want to do it.

            True confidence is being able to hold firm to your beliefs even when they’re challenged, for as long as you continue to believe in them, and having the courage to accept when you were wrong when presented with beliefs that ring more true to you.




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          3. Farla says:

            It was not meant condescendingly. It was meant to end things in a somewhat peaceful manner! I had a headache- Which was caused by you. 

            Alright, so in the future, please keep in mind:

            1) You are not on a time limit. You can come back later if you can’t handle a response now.

            2) You can stop arguing with someone by stopping.

            3) If you really don’t want to end the argument by just stopping and need to say something, you can say, “This is stressing me out, so I’m going to stop arguing now.” Not “we’re both equally right/wrong!” or “you’re a dick so I quit!” or “you’re so wrong you’re harming my physical and mental health!” or anything else where you keep arguing while telling the other person they can’t reply.




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            1. WindStar says:
              You make a valid point. But I had gotten a headache (which I had mentioned – but only well after I had gotten it. I doubt mentioning it sooner would have done any good anyway) so I wasn’t focusing. On top of that, I answer all PM’s that I see, when I see them, otherwise I forget them and then find them much later and get upset all over again.

              I hate blocking people. And I felt like he was backing me into a corner, I was trying to resolve it without blocking. So, I was focused on that with my head hurting. But it ended up being the only way to stop it.

              I waited 15-20 minutes after my last message, to give it enough time to get through the system, then I blocked. I don’t think blocking should be done unless your given no other option. Anyway, thank you for the tips, I will keep them in mind for the future. I appreciate it. I had blocked you, as well, when I blocked him, just to fend off any more issues. I’m sorry, you didn’t do anything to earn it yet (to me, anyway) but I took his advice after all of that went down. As I said, I hate blocking people. But I didn’t think that I had any other choice.




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            2. Farla says:

              I too am bad about keeping track of PMs. One option would be, if you’re on a computer, to leave that tab open so you know to go back to it. Another is to just accept that maybe you’ll forget about it but that your sanity is worth more than never dropping out of a conversation. Personally, I don’t mind people dropping out suddenly and if I really wanted a reply, I’d send a reminder PM after a week or something. Most people will be able to fill in the blank – you were angry, then you stopped talking, you must’ve been upset and not wanted to talk further.

              Why do you hate blocking people? I don’t hate being blocked. “Huh, this person has already encountered my reviews and does not want me to write another one for their particular fic. Now we can save time by not interacting!” It’s very, very rare I’d want to PM someone out of the blue, and if I ever needed to, I could just make a new account. Not blocking, on the other hand, can be frustrating/stressful – it’s putting responsibility for someone else’s mental health on me, someone who will review hundreds of stories at a time and rarely pays attention to pennames.

              “Then block me!” isn’t meant to be a threat of “or else I’ll harass you forever hahahaha!” It’s just the simplest way to accomplish the request of “no more reviews” for everyone.

              I waited 15-20 minutes after my last message, to give it enough time to get through the system, then I blocked. 

              As a frequent blockee, I can also tell you this sounds way more stressful than it needs to be. The PMs are near instantaneous, you can send them even after you’ve blocked someone, and also, usually the blocking is pretty eloquent all in itself and doesn’t even need an accompanying message.

              If leaving someone blocked indefinitely is bugging you, perhaps consider unblocking people periodically? If an interaction with someone is unpleasant, block them, then unblock them a day/week later in case one year they come back and want to talk. (Not us – definitely keep us blocked.) The person won’t be notified they were unblocked, so they won’t come right back to keep badgering you about the current issue, but if you ever cross paths again they’ll be able to talk.




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            3. WindStar says:
              I don’t like blocking people because I have been blocked a time or two when there wasn’t even an argument going on (until the person who blocked me posted their last message before I was blocked).  Usually it was a slight dissagreement, or someone hit-and run comments on something I said, somewhere, then automatically blocks me.

              I don’t like being unable to defend myself. I don’t like others being unable to do so.

              I like being able to talk things out and come to understandings. And I’m sorry, but the way it’s stated it DOES sound like a threat. It does sound like: “block me or I’ll keep harassing you- etc…”

              I’ve spoken to others who get the same impression from that statement. I just don’t like bad blood, and try to talk things out. BTW – please ignore the second post with the same comment you just replied to.

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            4. Act says:

               It does sound like: “block me or I’ll keep harassing you- etc…”

              If you manage to take one review out of hundreds upon hundreds as a personal attack, there’s not anything anyone could say you wouldn’t take as some kind of personal threat.

              Further, there is nothing he could say that will make that person happy because they’re not actually upset about how very Wronged they are, they’re pissed at getting a bad review on their precious work and grasping at reasons to justify it. The onus isn’t on Elmo to dance around the feelings of this person, it’s on that person to not use their feelings as an excuse to lash out at others.




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            5. Farla says:

              I like being able to talk things out and come to understandings.

              I also enjoy this…but I don’t find myself getting upset when I do so. If you regularly get stressed out when you talk to people and find yourself yelling that they’re making you miserable by talking to you, then you need to think about how you can avoid that situation where you’re miserable.

              Giving someone a chance to explain themselves is fine – I agree, I think it’s a silly when people say just U SUXXOR and then immediately block. But it means you have to want to hear whatever the explanation is. “Explanation” isn’t always going to be “apology”. “Understanding” isn’t going to always be “agreeing with you”. If you say, “Why are you being a dick to me?” and the other person says, “I wasn’t trying to be a dick to you! I was doing something else.” then you’ve got your explanation. If you disagree (you could well be right and they were just being a dick!) then we’ve moved into the arguing stage, which is okay so long as you’re also okay with arguing. If you want an explanation, but you’ll only accept certain explanations and will argue with others until you get it, if you want understanding but only other people understanding that you’re the one who’s right, and also you hate arguing…then it’s not the other person that’s causing the problem, it’s that your expectations are setting up a situation that’ll end with you unhappy.

              If you’ve given someone a chance to explain themselves and they’ve done so, and your real issue is not wanting a review from them, then it’s time to block. You can even say, “I do not want a review like this, and I will block you if you can’t promise to never review me like this again.” if you’re worried that the other person will find you rude or not realize they’ve set up this situation. But you need to be able to set limits on your own interactions, rather than needing everyone else on the site limit themselves in every interaction with everyone there to the particular way you prefer just in case you encounter it. 




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    3. Maybe “Don’t like / Don’t read” is not such a bad policy when it comes to fanfiction.

      Yes, and that’s a two-way street. No one has to read or respond to my reviews, and no one has to use a review as a springboard to talk about my strategy in general. If you don’t want me to talk to you, don’t talk to me.




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      1. Act says:

        I also never understand how you’re supposed to know you won’t like it if you don’t read it. It’s just post hoc fallacy.




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        1. Keleri says:

          Ha! Yeah, “don’t like don’t read” is a valid response to “omg this story tagged ‘slash’ had slash in it!” not “hey your grammar could be improved in these ways”. Elmo already employs DLDR principles by avoiding the anime-world fics (or would, if anyone used that dang tag).




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          1. Farla says:

            I’ve actually spent a lot of time on this one! I think we fell into a hole when we picked “read” as the verb, probably because fic tags were done so inconsistently we didn’t have a reliable word for “subject matter you damn well knew was there in advance”, or maybe because we accepted that people who read about two dudes kissing by accident would be completely in the right to throw a fit about it existing because something something religious freedom so “don’t like, shut up no one writing slash cares you don’t like it” never took off.

            It goes with “it’s on you to think about what interactions will be rewarding”, I think. If an author writes something centered on (genre/topic), and you don’t like (genre/topic), what does telling them, “Hey, I hate (genre/topic)!” accomplish? (And maybe there are (genre/topic) situations where you might feel that will accomplish something, like the steady stream of complaints about how rapey mainstream romance novels are. But have some clue what the point of talking is.) Don’t like, want to give it a shot and read anyway? Sure whatever. Don’t like, want to read and get mad? Sure whatever. Don’t like, think authors need to be informed that their (genre/topic) contained (genre/topic)? Waste of everyone’s time.




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        2. CrazyEd says:
          I think the general idea is more along the lines of “Don’t Like, Stop Reading” rather than not starting to read it in the first place.



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  4. APen says:

    Clearly “don’t like don’t read” involves retroactively altering your timeline so that you did not read the fic that you now know you do not like.




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    1. Farla says:

      I have in fact been told to keep reading because future chapters will address my complaint AND don’t like don’t read by the same people, so yeah, some assholes have time machines they’re keeping from the rest of us.




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