Last time, vision-guy died! Again.
10.13
We jump three days later to Emothan still obsessing over seeing his namesake die, despite the fact he already saw him die last vision anyway, and also no mention of all the shit he should have been in for skipping school.
I was having trouble getting over the death of this particular Confederate soldier. More like, Confederate deserter.
I know you and the book apparently think that’s a meaningful distinction but it really, really isn’t. Especially when his reasons for desertion are basically oh fuck this is effort and also we appear to be losing, I wasn’t that attached to owning slaves I guess screw it.
Here is the one and only acceptable backstory for a Confederate deserter:
“My family marched me into the recruitment office and I took off first chance I got because fighting for slavery is wrong.”
There. Did he do that? No? Then the fact he deserted doesn’t fucking matter! And when he actually did, he waited for the end of the war when it was completely obvious there was no more point in fighting. If anything I’d have more sympathy to someone who wrongly believed that fighting was the right thing to do than someone who knew it was a pile of shit and went anyway only to back out when it got too rough for him.
I thought about it during Algebra II, while Savannah choked on her equation in front of the class
Have I mentioned I hate this book? Hate.
It wasn’t that he was a Confederate.
Yes I fucking noticed your complete lack of shit-giving in that respect.
Everyone in Gatlin County was related to the wrong side in the War Between the States.
Nonwhites continue to not be an “everyone”. It’s not just black people here, they apparently have no immigrants whatsoever. Also I assume you’re calling it that sarcastically but you should maybe watch your word choice when barrelling down apologia lane.
It was like being born in Germany after World War II, being from Japan after Pearl Harbor, or America after Hiroshima. History was a bitch sometimes.
Notice every other example he pulls up involved a lot of people with no choice in the matter, unlike those assholes lining up to be a soldier.
You didn’t have to stay stuck in the past, like the ladies in the DAR, or the Gatlin Historical Society, or the Sisters.
I guess this is what the book has been trying to express with that, it’s just been fucking it up.
The Sisters, for example. They show no sign of living in the past. They remember a lot about the past, because they’re old and they’ve lived a lot more of it to remember, but they don’t seem confused about when they are now. They still go out to church, they don’t seem to be holding Emothan to any weird old fashioned standard, there’s no mention of them not doing stuff because it’s that darn new-fangled technology. They just don’t drive, which is probably because they’re too old to do so safely. Maybe if black people existed, they’d grumble about the uppity colored folks, but that’d require there to be black people and this is obviously an alternate universe where instead cotton was harvested by unicorns and pixies.
The DAR and Historical Society might have issues of their own, but that’d require them to fucking FEATURE IN THE STORY. All we know about the DAR is that the busybody ladies belong to it and run the town through bitching, and as I said it sure does seem exclusionary in theory but since as Emothan has just explained, everybody is equal in their ancestry and current racial position, it isn’t actually doing that. There’s no sign the DAR is anything but a particular town women’s group that happens to pull double duty in meddling in local politics, and that’s normal – if everyone’s in both the knitting circle and the burn Harry Potter books circle, then the knitting circle starts discussing their latest book burning idea and the book burning circle starts bringing their knitting and before you know it it’s just one group. That doesn’t mean they’re living in the past, it means you’re in a small town where you don’t have the population for separate groups.
You want to show these people are living in the past? Make Emothan go to private school. Make private school the only school the town has – you know, everyone’s favorite response to forcing schools to be integrated. Let’s say they’re small enough and there’s another town that run a public school for the whole area, which would be be tying in to how being a small place lets you live in the past, and if you’re of proper breeding you go to the local private school. Or, since they don’t really seem small enough to get away with that, there is some hellhole public school that no one willingly goes to, and the private school is just the only halfway functional one.
And that’s why pushing Lena out of that school is possible and also relevant to this – it’s because she’s not one of the right people. She’s from an old family, but it’s a disgraced old family, and she’s not even one of those really, since she’s a niece, so she’s from the other, outsider bloodline. Then get into where their real issue with Ravenwood is – obviously, the guy didn’t go out to fight in the war, since he was there to do his deal with the devil or whatever, and so was his brother. Holding a grudge since back then over a war that was going to be lost anyway for a cause that was not only doomed but evil? That’s living in the past.
(As an important corollary, don’t have Lena blamed for breaking the window. Emothan and the book at large seem to think it’s incredibly unfair people are saying she punched it, but the fact is, she did break it, they’re just imagining a mundane reason for the action in place of the supernatural. The reason people don’t want their kid around someone who smashes windows when they get upset is not that punching windows is just so uncouth and it’d be okay if only they realized it was done with psychic powers. No. Have them rustling up excuses to push her out that are obviously petty bullshit because she was on thin ice from being that Ravenwood non-Confederate’s niece and now look at her, wearing the wrong clothes and saying the wrong things and not showing up at church on Sunday!)
And you didn’t have to accept that things had to be the way they were, like Lena. Ethan Carter Wate hadn’t, and I couldn’t, either.
Evidence is pointing to your beloved slaveowning ancestor dying and accomplishing nothing in the process (not that he was trying to in the first place!). So you may not have to accept it, but your accepting or not is totally irrelevant to all that happening anyway.
He walks by his dad’s study, knowing his dad is currently upstairs having a shower. When he reaches for the doorknob, it unlocks.
This was Gatlin. Not the Gatlin I thought I knew, but some other Gatlin that had apparently been hiding in plain sight all along. A town where the girl I liked was from a long line of Casters, my housekeeper was a Seer who read chicken bones in the swamp and summoned the spirits of her dead ancestors, and even my dad acted like a vampire.
Everything but the first was already obvious fact before now. Okay, you didn’t know your housekeeper’s magic shit worked, but you mostly seemed to not give a shit rather than actively disbelieve. And the girl is from outside, so I don’t see why she’s counting as Gatlin. The only proper Gatlin revelation is that Ravenwood is a secret magic hideout, and you already believed he was a terrifying shut-in in an even more terrifying house and it’s only your obsession with a hot girl that made you so much as drive up to the place itself. Also, the town at large hates him, so he’s really more something near Gatlin than of Gatlin.
Also also, there’s the fact there’s always been more going on, you just ignored everything halfway interesting and then whined you were bored. You spend your weekends with three old ladies who apparently know everything in Gatlin ever, and you never so much as asked them what’s up with the spooky Ravenwood mansion, let alone all the other stuff! Your housekeeper/mommy does voodoo shit, and you don’t show the slightest interest. Your English teacher wants to actually discuss the book with you, and you sit in the back of the class so to avoid it.
He pushes the door slightly open and sees all his mom’s stuff, reminiscing about how his mom used to spend lots of time there. Okay, so both his parents hung out in a no-Ethan zone, I’m seeing why the housekeeper had to raise him. Then he reminds us that her books should answer his questions…but said housekeeper jumps him before he can get in.
“I’m not doing anything. The door just opened.”
“Shame on you. No ghost in Gatlin would dare set foot in your mamma and daddy’s study, except your mamma herself.” She looked up at me defiantly. There was something in her eyes that made me wonder if she was trying to tell me something, maybe even the truth. Maybe it was my mom, opening the door.
Naturally, saying he just wants a damn book isn’t an option. Instead, he heads off to the library, for real this time. He appears to get there by walking, theoretically, because he shows up to find Lena waiting. He reports the concrete’s shiny from rain, so he walked in the rain, maybe? She and the librarian are the only ones there.
There wasn’t much we wanted to know about any town but our own, and if your granddaddy or your great-granddaddy couldn’t tell you, chances were you didn’t need to know.
Because it is totally impossible for those people to be dead in anyone’s family, even though Emothan’s entire extended family appears to be missing. Also, no one reads trashy romance novels or crappy thrillers or anything else that adults have read since about five seconds after their invention.
She looked almost like a regular girl. I wasn’t sure I wanted her to be a regular girl.
And god knows your opinion really, really matters here.
Note it’s not “I wasn’t sure I wanted a regular girl.” or anything. That would be him choosing who he wants to date based on his preferences. No, he wants to decide what this specific girl should be so she’ll be properly datable.
Also, earlier, she accused him of wanting someone different but not too different, which of course he denies, but it seems that’s exactly on the nose – he’s upset by the idea she’s really powerful and wishes she was a weak magic user instead, but doesn’t want her to be normal and ordinary looking either.
Incidentally, this adds something really unpleasant to his behavior earlier – he sees her dressed in a happy red sweater, not writing numbers on her hand, and he immediately tells her all the stuff that’ll get her upset again, which gets her back to her normal depressed different-but-not-too-different look.
The library itself was beautiful. I had spent so many hours in it as a kid, I’d inherited my mother’s belief that a library was sort of a temple.
The sort of temple where you bitch it has a card catalogue.
This just was not edited. It’s really obvious the opening was written before she’d thought of any of this and as the story developed, a lot of the sweeping, stupid generalizations turned out to be getting in the way of the plot, as stupid, sweeping generalizations oft do. So the author decided that no, his mom knew lots about history and hung out in the library constantly, and never went back to fix the stuff written without that in mind.
I mean, god, most serial fanfic hangs together better than this!
This particular library was one of the few buildings that had survived Sherman’s March and the Great Burning.
Let’s take a moment to remember that libraries burn pretty well, so I’d say it’s the sort of survived where people deliberately decided not to destroy it, so maybe you could tone down the bitching about the demon Sherman a tad.
Anyway, this appears to mean that all the old plantation houses around were built after the Civil War, which just further underlines that they’re a bunch of dicks who need to shut up about what a trial Sherman’s march was if they could afford to completely rebuild their mansions afterward.
“Marian was my mom’s best friend, and her research partner. She’s the only
other person who knows as much about Gatlin County as my mom, and she’s the
smartest person in Gatlin now.”
Lena looked at me, skeptically. “Smarter than Uncle Macon?”
“Okay. She’s the smartest Mortal in Gatlin.”
He’s been doing this smart person ranking thing. His mom > Marian > his dad > Pretty Suit. He does this instantly – as soon as Pretty Suit showed he had a brain, he ranked the guy as fourth smartest, apparently on the basis he’d already filled the first three slots. Now, he’s switched over to his racist forbearers’ roots- for no reason, there’s suddenly separate categories for smartest mortal and smartest caster. They probably also get separate baseball leagues.
When we walked into the empty library, Marian was wandering around the stacks in her stockings, wailing to herself like a crazy person from a Greek tragedy, which she was prone to reciting.
I am so fucking sick of quirky.
He claims no one comes into the place except women looking up genealogy. You know, what the fuck are men doing in this town? Do they even exist? It seems like it’s just his dad, her uncle, and the principal. Oh, and the policeman.
Lena identifies what she’s saying as Antigone.
When she smiled, she looked like she could have been on the cover of a magazine. She had white teeth and beautiful brown skin, and she looked more like a model than a librarian. She was that pretty and exotic-looking, a mix of so many bloodlines it was like looking at the history of the South itself, people from the West Indies, the Sugar Islands, England, Scotland, even America, all intermingling until it would take a whole forest of family trees to chart the course.
See? Black people officially do not exist. Brown people come from the West Indies and the savage wilds of Scotland.
Marian was no more Gatlin County than Lena
Sooo she is then? Lena’s got her crazy ancestor and/or reincarnation slaveowner lady and her current Ravenwood relative. Plus, you did just describe her as the history of the South itself.
“Don’t believe everything you hear, Dr. Ashcroft.”
“Please. Marian.” I nearly dropped a book. Aside from my family, Marian was Dr. Ashcroft to nearly everyone around here. Lena was being offered instant access to the inner circle, and I had no idea why.
Either because she’s a caster or because she’s generally informal and everyone uses her last name just because they don’t usually talk to her, since you just got through claiming no one ever comes here.
Marian went to the door, and flipped the “Open” sign to “Closed.” She turned the bolt with a sharp click. It reminded me of the study.
“I thought the library was open till nine?” If it wasn’t I would lose a valuable excuse for sneaking out to Lena’s.
He is so amazingly dumb. She’s going on about how thrilled she is to see him, they just did all this hugging and stuff, and then she flips the sign closed – obviously the only answer is that this is actually when the library closes now, yup!
I’d never been in Marian’s private archive
…
Not even my dad was allowed in. I can remember Marian stopping him in the doorway, when my mother was examining a historical document inside. “Private means private.”
“It’s a library, Marian. Libraries were created to democratize knowledge and make it public.”
Man, what the fuck is with people in this town? It started with just his dad not wanting anyone to read the book while he was writing it, which, while not something I’m personally too twitchy with, I certainly understand. Now it’s gone all the way up to the public library being in fact her private collection.
The flashback argument is done with dumb quotes, because quotes mean you’re smart, including:
“‘If you reveal your secrets to the wind, you should not blame the wind for revealing them to the trees.’”
INFORMATION WANTS TO BE FREEEEEEEEEEEE
You know, I know academia is kind of backbiting but seriously, you won’t let other people look at documents because then they’d know what you’d know?
They had churned out book after book, even once making the short-list for the Voice of the South Award, the Southern equivalent of a Pulitzer Prize.
Um. Well that’s better than not getting on the list at all, but if the best she could do was one of the nominees for the “Southern equivalent of” anything, that’s not that impressive – why couldn’t the smartest and second smartest woman’s book collaborations (with help from the magic Ravenwood library) ever net any nationwide fame? And that’s before we get into the fact that in this book, “Southern equivalent of” is the shitty hidebound version.
Lena walked up to a wall of framed maps of Gatlin County, crumbling behind glass, old as the Sisters themselves.
…this book is just so damn weird about history.
There’s a map still in existence from over a thousand years before Jesus. Maps that predate the arrival of Europeans in the Americas, to say nothing of the date of the actual founding of the US, are all over the place. And you’re gaping at maps that are around a hundred measly years old?
An old Historical Society charter lay open, with circled names, a pencil still stuck in the spine. A map made out of tracing paper, tacked to a map of modern-day Gatlin, seemed like someone was trying to mentally excavate the old town from beneath the new.
So I guess this was the theme the book meant to be playing with all along and it just fucked it up really badly.
And lying on top of all of it was a photo of the painting in Macon Ravenwood’s entry. The woman with the locket.
Wait, does the photo of the painting have a locket? Or do you mean a photo of the painting that now happens to have the locket, but didn’t back then? I’d just like it to be clearer on if the photo changed like the painting did. The painting alone changing seems less of a big deal – maybe it’s sentient or whatever. But if the change in that painting is carried over to all other versions of it…that’s more worrying. It suggests things reaching a lot farther than you’d think, and working on a deeper level.
He wants to consult, she says this is a terrible idea, he says that dammit he knows more than she does about this. But then they dance around the question and just ask who she is,
“Genevieve Duchannes, but I expect you know that.”
“I didn’t, actually.”
“Hasn’t your uncle taught you anything about your genealogy?”
Continuing our incest theme, I’m going to now go with somehow, Ethan Carter the first and slaveownery, managed a kid with Genevieve, maybe with ghost sex or something, so she’s trying to bang her distant relative AND the reincarnation of her distant relative at once.
Lena’s family tree stared back at us, right next to Macon’s. I pointed to Lena’s family tree. “That’s weird. All the girls in your family have the last name Duchannes, even the ones who were married.”
“It’s just a thing in my family. The women keep the family name even after they’re married. It’s always been that way.”
Uh. That seems like something everyone else would’ve thought of as super weird, you know?
Although it does get into something I was thinking about, with all the talk of families. It’s (SURNAME) ARE ALWAYS (TRAIT) which is pretty weird given 50% of the kids of the surname will go on to marry and take on another surname. He’s made reference to all the people of a family line being X which doesn’t seem likely unless you’re making Egyptian pharaohs look reasonable. Even assuming that mundane traits can have the same sort of crazy infectious dominance that’s apparently going on with Lena’s caster family, you’d still have those women marrying in somewhere else, getting a new surname, and then having a bunch of babies with their stereotyped trait instead of the other one.
Marian then says “It’s often the case in bloodlines where the women are considered particularly powerful.” which is missing that it isn’t often the case anywhere in the US, let alone historically so. Also, this seems like a poor attempt at feminism. It should be the case in bloodlines that are powerful – I mean, the male members are presumably going to go on using the same surname, aren’t they? But instead it seems to be saying it’s happened because they’ve got some special women-only magic, as if, if the men had equal power, they’d dictate their daughters not keep their surname.
It’s also just an uncomfortable frame that so much of female empowerment is set up where they have to get some extra help. They can’t be strong, they have to be specifically in a setup where women are stronger than men or have access to a bunch of powers men can’t have, which ends up with the subtext that any woman who isn’t given a cheat to effortlessly surpass men should just give up now, since without that they’ll always be better than her.
Marian says they were looking into it to investigate Genevieve, of course. No one has yet considered that it sounds like his mom died during this investigation, which is pretty ominous.
She pointed to another photograph of Genevieve. In this one, she was wearing the locket.
…okay, so I guess the photo of the painting didn’t have it? But now there’s something else, which may be an actual photo (Civil War’s where the technology gets going) or a photo of another painting where the locket happened to be included at the time. This is such sloppy, sloppy writing. The author doesn’t care to be specific about this because it’s not actually important! The basic world of their story doesn’t matter.
Anyway she recaps what we already know, and then shows them a letter from Emothan’s slaveowner namesake which is apparently one of the oldest things around left in the town which I find interesting given Sherman explicitly did not burn the library, so I guess the inhabitants of the place destroyed most of the library sometime later.
“‘A Species Apart,’ he calls them. Her family is trying to keep them apart, and he’s gone to enlist, even though he doesn’t believe in the war, in the hope that fighting for the South will win him the approval of her family.” Marian closed her eyes, reciting: “I might as well be a monkey as a man, for all the good it does me at Greenbrier. Though merely Mortal, my heart breaks with such pain
They’re taking language that grew out of racism and making it all about how horrible it is for the white guy fighting for slavery to be thought of as a lesser being.
I wanted to rant about this but they’re taking language that grew out of racism and making it all about how horrible it is for the white guy fighting for slavery to be thought of as a lesser being and I don’t really know what more I can say there.
Marian opened her eyes again. “As if he were Atlas carrying the weight of the world on his shoulders.”
“It’s all so sad,” said Lena, looking at me.
Well, besides fuck this fucking book.
Anyway apparently the locket disappears when Emothan Prime disappeared but legend has it she was buried with it, and also she was forced to remarry so hey, maybe Lena isn’t related to Emothan.
He then remembers his plan about asking directly regarding the locket, she says that’s a terrible idea, he yanks the think out and grabs Marian’s hand in the hopes of triggering a vision and dragging her into it because that’s how YA protagonists roll.
“Come, Miss Genevieve, there’s nothin’ more we can do here.”
But Ivy was wrong. There was one thing.
“It’s not too late. It’s not too late.” Genevieve kept repeating the words.
“You’re talkin’ crazy, child.”
She looked at Ivy, desperate. “I need the book.”
Ivy backed away, shaking her head. “No. You can’t mess with that book. You don’t know what you doin’.”
Let’s all cling very, very hard to the hope that Ivy is Miss-ing and dialect-ing everywhere because she’s a poor white and not the more obvious option.
Anyway so Genevieve just orders her to do it and so Ivy leads her past what used to be her mother’s lemon grove. Genevieve had never been past that point. There was nothing out there but cotton fields, or at least that’s what she had always been told. And she had never had a reason to be in those fields
Right, because you worthless aristocratic parasites never needed to actually do the work of caring for that crop. Note slaves still don’t exist, but I guess it wasn’t unicorns or pixies or anything at all harvesting the crop either because that’d be too close to admitting harvesting was even a thing that happened. Cotton fields just existed in a general scenery sort of way.
They head off to the family cemetery, so I guess these non-mortals are still mortal in the relevant respect, and adds that at her great-grandmother’s death when she was a little kid, her mom said words in some other language, and dammit book, how do you expect secret magic languages to be preserved if the parents just secret it up all the time?
“It’s out here?”
Ivy stopped and looked at Genevieve, confused. “Where else would it be?”
This is a brief moment of acceptable weirdness marred by the fact they know each other well – if this made any sense given standard laws of magic, Genevieve wouldn’t be surprised, and if it didn’t, Ivy wouldn’t be baffled by her surprise. Inside is a lot of spell potion stuff and a box with a crescent moon because apparently that’s the symbol of magic.
“I’m not touchin’ it,” Ivy said quietly, as if she thought the box itself could hear her.
“Ivy, it’s just a book.”
“No such thing as just a book, ’specially in your family.”
So Ivy’s trusted with the family secrets even those she despises them god there is no way she’s not one of the invisible black people of the book. Maybe later she’ll weep at Genevieve’s feet about how the evil Union won’t let her stay a slave for her precious mistress.
Also, Ivy is Amma’s ancestor because she reads cards and tea leaves. And is super good at it so Genevieve’s mom would consult her about everything. Maybe Ivy was free and just spent all her time following around the white people because they’re so great.
That right there is The Book a Moons.”
God I hate this book.
The book is full of spells which are apparently in more than one language and the one she wants is in Latin and I’m sure not a moment will be spared to explaining how it makes sense there are multiple languages to cast spells in or how that works.
The Binding Spell. To Bind Death To Life.
Which sounds like it’s working differently from how binding’s been talked about so far – I mean, not so much as to be a plot hole, but just not quite right, you know? Binding has been a thing you do to keep something just generally bound and locked up, in the case of the locket, and in the case of Ravenwood it seemed like the binding was a supernatural restriction, an imposition of laws.
Ivy says she can’t because the moon’s wrong, and references that the no moon period is for some kind of magic that’s totally different than black or white and also doesn’t seem to have a standard name for no reason. When her beloved mistress points out, pretty reasonably I think, that it’s now or never, she switches to pointing out that also this is a horrible affront to the fabric of reality, which really seems like the sort of thing you’d lead with. Also, this is unnatural, unlike all that other magic, or, presumably, doing this exact magic on a half moon.
Genevieve knew Ivy was right. Her mother had warned her and Evangeline often enough about respecting the Natural Laws.
Except there’s also a type of caster called a Natural. Maybe their magic power is not having to follow the rules of all the other powers, which would definitely fit with being crazy overpowered.
“No!” Lena let go of our hands, breaking the circle. “She went Dark, don’t you get it? Genevieve, she was using Dark magic.”
Um, better point, she appears to have totally had the choice and not any claiming bullshit. (Indeed, the discussion about when you can do magic suggests that actually normal casters can use either form of magic.) Maybe this is where the curse on your line starts? If so you are a moron for not asking questions about something so basic, this is hardly long enough ago that no one would know when it started.
He naturally responds to her doing this by grabbing her hands again, then holding on when she tries to yank them away again.
Usually all I could feel from Lena was a sunny sort of warmth, but this time she felt more like a tornado.
Just a few minutes ago you were talking about the standard electric spark feeling. You’ve never had any warmth, just sparks.
Anyway, she’s decided that Lemony Mistress was the same as her and the locket is warning Lena to stay away from him so she doesn’t hurt him when she inevitably goes dark, because that is totally a reasonable interpretation of seeing someone going crazy as a result of their boyfriend getting killed, and also because apparently “dark talisman that everyone shits themselves over in horror” and “helpful advice to protect others” is totally the same thing.
Then Marian chimes in:
“You are not Claimed, Lena. You’re neither good nor bad. This is just what it feels like to be fifteen and a half, in the Duchannes family.
Okay, so this seems like more evidence the light siders are as unnatural as the dark ones. Lena seems like a perfectly good person, but apparently that registers as not good or bad on the Light/Dark scale.
Incidentally, people who actually didn’t have a real alignment and were stuck on neutral until they hit sixteen when they went good/evil might be kind of cool. Like imagine if Lena was actually neither good nor evil – that’d be a bit creepy! Most people tend toward good, you know? I mean, I guess it depends on how we’re doing alignment. I’m picturing pure neutral, with no natural preferences for good or bad, but there’s other kinds, most more boring or absurd or boringsurd. D&D had that whole thing where neutral people are just lazy/shortsighted good people and actually being amoral kicks you into neutral evil complete with a little thing about how in some ways the neutral evil are the most evil ever because they don’t care about anything but what they want, as opposed to the lawful evil next door who are ritually flaying people in their worship of the dark god of torture. I mean, I sympathize with the idea that true evil is selfish disregard for others, but when your setting involves literal demons and gods that are empowered by suffering, you really need to be working off a different scale.
Before they can ask how the fuck Marian knows that, she asks why they didn’t say they had the locket, and one of them, presumably Emothan, replies with “We don’t know what to do. Everyone tells us something different.” which is such fucking bullshit when the two of two people they consulted were completely in agreement.
Marian explains she’s mortal and also neutral, and the latter doesn’t get a capital letter so I guess it’s less formal, but still, she’s neutral on the light/dark axis which, to go back to D&D again, sounds like the bullshit true neutral, who act to preserve “balance” so if the forces of good are too successful at saving babies from the flaying, you have to rush over and help flay some babies, because obviously being neutral morally and not caring about law/chaos either makes you crazy devoted to a specific nonsense cause. Anyway, she’s a capital-K keeper who is the one chosen mortal who’s entrusted with the history and the secrets of a world we can never entirely
be a part of. There must always be one, and now that one is me
“And the reason for this is wait no I guess there’s no reason.”
So anyway, she’s the Caster Librarian. The Head Caster Librarian.” which, considering she used “the” for the first title means there’s probably only one in the first place. Lena decides maybe that moon book is there, despite it obviously being a family heirloom kept secret, to which Marian says she can’t help, There’s a balance between the Mortal world and the Caster world, between Light and Dark. The Keeper is part of that balance, part of the Order of Things. If I defy the laws by which I’m Bound, that balance is jeopardized.” which seems like yes, true neutral bullshit. (Also, seems like yet another version of what binding involves.) Luckily if stupidly, her refusal to help appears to just be referring to chatting about Lena’s speculation and if she wants to be let in to actually get the book that’s totally fine. They’ll just have to wait for the place to be open because the author wants to stretch things out a little more.
I’m really enjoying you taking apart this book. The authors missed another shot at a backwards small town I think. They call the librarian doctor? Universally? Shouldn’t at least the town elders call her Miss?
Don’t be silly, there’s no racism or sexism in small southern towns. Only un-ismed prejudice that makes white guys sad.
Oh, of course. How could I forget small southern towns consist of only persecuted plantation owners and mean girls? Who else could there be?
On the other hand, this chapter of the spork actually got me writing my own short story of a guy who falls in love with a powerful magic girl. (It’s the powerful part he admires most.)
If I may, do you think that it’s better for minority groups to be misrepresented/represented badly (not “all blacks are evil” type thing, more like the Magical Negro/Sassy Gay Friend stereotypes) or to not be mentioned at all?
Also, I’m not sure if you’ve played the Mardek flash RPG series, but I kinda like the way the Light/Dark split is done there. In general, Light-elemental people tend to focus on what’s best for the group, whereas Dark-elemental people focus on what’s best for themselves. So it plays out that many Light people are good and many Dark people are bad, but it’s possible to have the opposite, and there are notable characters of such in-game. The Dark element is also noted as being necessary for civilisations to develop, because it promotes being unsatisfied with the current situation and thus progress – if there were only Light, civilisation would stagnate because everyone would be content with how things are.
I’ve really been enjoying all of your reviews so far :) Not being American, there’s a lot of the historical stuff, not only in this one, that I think would’ve gone straight over my head. Do you think there’s a tendency for authors to research less when a story’s set in their own country or more? In comparison to some of the more pure fantasy books.
re: minority groups – both suck. The misrepresentations reinforce the belief that minority groups only act this or that way, and the absences reinforce the belief that they don’t matter. Eventually they all come to mean the same thing – that only the white people are important. Neither is better.
Personally I can often get more enjoyment out of stories with badly represented female and lesbian characters via counter-textual readings and co-opting the fuck out of them. But I can’t really say that makes them objectively preferable.
“The Dark element is also noted as being necessary for civilisations to develop, because it promotes being unsatisfied with the current situation and thus progress”
Hmm, I don’t think that really follows, unless you mean that there’s a law/chaos element *in addition* to the group/self element, which while closely related is not quite the same thing. “The current situation” in a society in need of progress is usually that some people are disproportionately well-off compared to others. So a Dark-aligned person who’s being personally screwed over would want to change that, but so would a light-aligned person who notices that most people have more to gain than to lose, whether they themselves are being personally screwed over or are actually one of the fortunate ones. Of course, that assumes we’re talking about a sane definition of “group” and not a freaky authoritarian one.
Sorry, I guess I should have explained that a little better – the “Dark induces progress” thing is a passive effect of the world crystals (the game parodies/borrows parts from the early FF games in a lot of ways), apparently in the same way that the Fire Crystal keeps things warm, the Water Crystal keeps the oceans and rivers from going completely stagnant and so on. So it would affect people of all alignments, not only Dark-elemental people.
In general, the personal element stuff is pretty standard – Fire people tend to be more outgoing, Water go with the flow, Earth are down-to-earth and reliable, Air are prone to flightiness – and it’s explicitly tied to the person’s element. The games are fun to play and they have some interesting ideas, but I fully admit they don’t hold up all that well to a proper scrutiny. :)
I worry about that sometimes too. I get the stuck in a story where for whatever societal/canon reasons I can only have women in very subordinate/traditionally feminine roles, or I could have men in those roles and no women at all. Then I freeze up and panic that I’m going to come across as terrible and sexist. Like Ember, I at least prefer the reminder that minority groups exist even if they’re being very stereotypical, so I can pretend they’re doing really cool and important stuff off-screen, and if I’m one the one writing it I will eventually manage to put it on-screen when I can.
“for whatever societal/canon reasons I can only have women in very subordinate/traditionally feminine roles”
See, the thing is, there have always, ALWAYS been women getting shit done behind the scenes. Women would invent stuff and have their husbands/fathers/brothers apply for a patent. They would writer or draw stuff and have their husbands/fathers/brothers publish it — or they would publish under an assumed man’s name. Women dressing up like men and joining the army? Not only did it happen, if anything it happened *more* often than the fairy tales would have us believe – since we’re on the topic of the Civil War, there were a couple hundred cross-dressing women *that we know of* fighting just in that one. And speaking of wars, there have always women on the peripheries of those risking everything to provide soldiers with food and, yes, medical care. And of course, there are always women spies — you even see that in the Bible! After all, the people with no social power who are generally viewed as meek and subservient are the last people your enemies will expect. Women assassins, too, for those same reasons plus it’s really easy to kill someone when they’re naked in bed. And as for “traditionally feminine” roles, if there are noble women responsible for managing households and entertaining parties, you can bet they’re going to be neck-deep in societal intrigue.
Basically, there has never been a world where a full half of the human race didn’t do anything interesting or meaningful, and I can’t imagine one where they didn’t.
Oh yeah, I agree. It’s just feels awkward to have the only known women be a few maids or secretaries when you don’t have the opportunity to show them contributing to the plot for a couple chapters. Part of them using their power behind the scenes is the narrator taking awhile to root out what’s actually going on, as opposed to instantly knowing who the general is and how he operates and going to him to discuss military matters.
If that’s the specific question, then yes, it’s infinitely better for those women to be there and for the narrative to have that pay off then for them to just not exist.
Yeah, I know exactly what you mean with the subordinate women/no women lesser of two evils thing.
Even with writing main female characters, though, it kinda feels like no matter which way you turn, you’re hitting up against another cliche. If she’s meek or quiet, then she’s not a strong character; if she’s boisterous or energetic and shows her feelings, then it’s the “women are emotional, men are logical” thing; if she’s smart or logical, then it’s “women are tactical backup, not frontline fighters” (read: not the hero); if she’s cold and/or unemotional, she’s either the Ice Queen to be melted or the Katniss, also to be melted, because girls have to fall in love, you know – if she doesn’t, then she’s broken. And you can only pick two of the smart/fighter/emotionally capable trio, because if she’s got all three, then she’s seen as a sue.
I don’t know, maybe I’m overthinking things, but some days it feels very hard to write female characters who aren’t either too feminist or not feminist enough.
That’s a problem that’s really based in there being an awful lot of bad stereotypes around women.
The best fit to it, though, is just having more than one and working to mix them up. Have the energetic expressive one still have a good tactical grasp of things, have the cold restrained one be best at just hacking away what’s in front of her – more of a Conan type of cool head. Have a character that’s not very emotional have her character arc about something other than getting emotions or revealing a backstory of trauma for why she doesn’t have them. And as long as you don’t have the main character hating the other women, you can avoid it looking like you’re saying the heroine is the one acceptable form of womanliness.
I think it actually comes down to what the prevailing attitude toward the minority group at the time is.
I remember someone being very, very angry that the transgender characters in Sandman tended to be victims. Thing is, Sandman was a comic written decades ago. It was, for a lot of readers, their first exposure to the idea of there being transgendered people, and their reaction to what happened was exactly what you’d want – they went from shock and disgust at this guy claiming he was a lady to sympathy and anger at how her family wouldn’t accept who she was.
But if you use trans characters now just to be a victim, it’s not expanding their representation, it’s pigeonholing them as victims never able to have a happy end. And at that point it’s getting in the way of the minority being able to see themselves in the story, because maybe they could see themselves in a side character and then shoving in an explicit minority representation is saying they can’t be anything else. The black kid can’t be the hero, he has to be the magical sidekick, and the girl the hero’s wife.
Basically, it’s good to push against whatever the prevailing opinion is. If people don’t know a minority exists, better some kind of representation than none. But if a minority’s always getting stuck in a certain role, reinforcing that just makes people feel like they can never be anything else.
And cast size also matters. In a small cast I think it’s better to have none than bad, because there it’s easier to pretend that the white boy could be anyone. In a large cast, it’s better to have bad representation than none, because otherwise it’s showing an entire world excluding people.
(And I actually have no idea about the research! I feel like I’ve seen some very well researched stuff set in the same area, because people already know the basics so they can focus on getting all the little stuff right too. But I’ve also seen some very sloppy stuff where I figure they never bothered to think because who needs to research what you know. I think maybe you get extremes in places the author’s family with while places they know they don’t know about, everyone will do at least a little research first.)
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Wait, is this Gatlin? I can’t tell. We haven’t had any reminders.
Maybe we’re in Canada now!
What exactly does Emothan know more about than Lena? Aren’t they consulting about a magical amulet? Maybe I’m suffering from a concussion, or maybe my brain is simply refusing to process this shit in an act of mercy, but I had the distinct impression that Lena has been living in the magical world for sixteen fucking years, and that Emothan’s experience with it only goes back a few weeks. And of course Pretty Suit and House Slave know more about it than either of them, but fuck them. I guess that if their knowledge was relevant, one of them would be the protagonist.
Lena is a wuss who doesn’t want to charge blindly into trouble, so it falls to Emothan to do all the good work.
“Here is the one and only acceptable backstory for a Confederate deserter:”
Well, if the Confederate in question is from a wealthy family, then yeah. But most Confederate soldiers were poor, and were fighting for the things impoverished soldiers always fight for: to protect their homes, families, and nebulously defined “freedoms,” which government propaganda had them convinced were being threatened by The Enemy. Or, you know, to get money they desperately needed. You could do a pretty compelling redemption arc with a Confederate soldier gradually realizing all the lies he’s been fed are, in fact, lies. Or…
Okay, here’s my fix for Ancestor Backstory. Instead of being the Boy Next Human Slavery Exploitation Property, Ethan I is dirt poor and his family always has been. That, as much as not being a magic-user, is why Genevieve’s family hates him. When Gene’s evil father/uncle/brother (whatever male relative currently owns the place) gets a draft notice, he pays Ethan to go in his place (because that was a thing plantation owners could do). Ethan needs the money to save his ailing mother or something, and while he’s not proud to be fighting to keep down the “negros” that his lack of breeding apparently makes him “little better than”… well, he doesn’t actually personally know any slaves or former slaves, and, you know, ailing mother. Only, she ends up dying anyway, and as soon as he gets the letter he deserts and goes to find Gene and ask her to run off with him. Instead of a Union soldier, it’s Gene’s evil male relative who shoots him, both for daring to impinge upon his female property and for daring to run away from the war that he himself was too much of a coward to go fight in the first place. When Emothan hears the story, he thinks that taking the money was morally gray at best but perfectly understandable given the circumstances, and that the fact he deserted as soon as he got the chance is something worth being proud of regardless.
There. It’s still a Civil War story that centers white characters more than would be ideal, but now at least it’s a story about how the kyriarchy screws over everyone who isn’t at the very top, rather than a story about how the kyriarchy is awesome and romantic.
Well, I’d still say it’s not a good thing – thinking you’re fighting for freedom is at best a matter of being duped, and if it worked anything like talk radio there’s a very willing component of that. Deserting because you realized you were wrong is more of a redemption move, you’re making up for your former error.
But yeah, Ancestor Guy joining because his family needs money is one of those understandable things, and divorcing it from Evil Sherman would fix a lot. Even just joining up because it’s his only hope of social mobility and he doesn’t really think about what he’s doing would be okay – he wouldn’t be the first one to just be mercenary about it, and people are selfish.
Hey, what if he ran off to the Union? Because pulling a guy off your family tree for doing what half the surviving Confederate army did seems like an overreaction, especially when he’s running to where the Union army is heading to burn to try to help his hometown. But joining the Union only to balk at the idea of burning your state down and deserting to go warn them… And that’d make his family wanting to name their son after him make sense, joining the Union army when you’re in the south is going above and beyond. Maybe make him one of the many mixed-blood-but-whiteish people as well.
Like I said, it would be a redemption arc, but I consider redemption arcs fundamentally heroic. Not the kind of heroic that fulfills the narrative requirements for Emothan’s ancestor, of course, which is why I went for something else there.
Ooh, that’s nicely dramatic! And an actually nuanced portrayal of Sherman’s march and the Union army! And yeah, I wasn’t really thinking about Emothan’s mom when I came up with my version, so it doesn’t really
explain that part. Yours works much better in that respect.
“And the reason for this is wait no I guess there’s no reason.”
Well, being a librarian involves actual work, and casters seem to be content with sitting around and letting their sl… I mean, pixies and unicorns to do the work for them.
“There’s a balance between the Mortal world and the Caster world, between Light and Dark. The Keeper is part of that balance, part of the Order of Things.”
I’m going to assume she means game balance as it’s less stupid. “Have you seen this polymorph spell? It’s utterly BROKEN! I shall preserve its secret in my archive and release a nerfed version.”
Edit: “The book is full of spells which are apparently in more than one language and the one she wants is in Latin and I’m sure not a moment will be spared to explaining how it makes sense there are multiple languages to cast spells in or how that works.”
Well, I’m giving far too much credit to the book, but I would assume that casters write new spells in their native languages or sometimes in scholar ones which is why Latin is popular. Then, due to numerological properties of words used or whatever, it’s easier to stick with the original language the spell was written in, or to write a new spell altogether (which is too difficult for most casters) rather than trying to translate it.
The book they’re reading is a compendium containing spells from many casters lines which is a rare and important thing.
Well, that does explain why they need a non-caster to do something that only has to do with casters.
The problem with language is why would magic be based on human sounds anyway? How are these invented? What happens when there’s a word with two meanings in different languages? If it’s just a matter of asking for what you want, why do you even need formal spells, why can’t you just say “bind death to life” in whatever language you please?
Well, if I were writing a story and needed spells in different languages for some reason, I would go with something like this:
Spells are engraved into the matter of reality creating a permanent exception to natural laws which any person with magical talent can then access. It doesn’t matter what language you use, but once the spell is engraved, it can’t be simply translated, as the words are part of the exception now.
Sounds, tools, actions, etc are not strictly necessary, but you need to tie the spell to something that future mages can do, and using words is easy. Anyone can repeat a sentence, after all.
Basically, mages have an access to the source code of reality and can add hidden functions. “Press Alt+F4 to end the world.”
There is a correlation between the complexity of a spell and a ritual because magic babble, so you have long fancy rituals for heavy stuff, and short easy ones for something simple.
Or something like this. I probably can think of another reasons given time. I have no idea how the book explains it, though. Probably authors just thought spells in dead languages are cool.
D&D alignments based on neutral actually can be awesome, I swear! Many people don’t bother to do the work to actually think out what their character’s goals are and how they fit into an alignment, though.
Neutral characters work best when they’re devoted to an ideal or a cause. Like your neutral librarian does not care if your caster aristocrat families try to kill each other, or if the mortal government becomes evil, or whatever, she literally just protects the books and makes sure people have safe access to them.
But people tend to try to go stupid Jedi on neutral alignments, just like they tend to try to be really, really stupid when making evil aligned characters- making characters who wouldn’t last a day in a criminal underworld. GMs and writers should actually try to figure out a little about who a character is before picking an alignment as plot device.
It is generally better to think about personality of your character without using game terms first, then slap an alignment which seems to fit the best on them.
D&D is not a game that deeply explores moral. Alignments are there to quickly define who are the good and bad guys, and to determine how some spells and abilities work. That’s it.
If you want moral complexity, alignments would be pretty superficial.
And yes, you can easily play a good Neutral character. But that’s because you don’t play a Neutral character, you play a character who happened to fit Neutral alignment the best.
Exactly! Thanks for putting it in better terms.
This is a bigger problem I have with D&D, something about it lends itself really well to people who just want to build super broken characters and kill things with cool powers rather than something like White Wolf system games where people think more about a character concept, then build. I guess mediocre writers do the same thing.
Nah, D&D just was the first and remains the most popular system. Pretty much everyone who is into TRPGs played it, so you have a big community of optimizators there.
Also, generally speaking, making a powerful character requires knowledge of the system, so people who are into it prefer to stick with one or two systems they know well. And since they typically start with D&D, and it provides them what they want…
Also, White Wolf games are pretty terrible, mechanically speaking. At least D&D requires you to work to create a broken character. In Exalted you can stumble on uber-combo by accident.
They do have good writers, though. Mostly. Which is why people tolerate their systems.
If you want to see systems that actually encourage narrative aspects of roleplaying, I would recommend you to look at the third wave games. Polaris, The Mountain Witch, Vox, A Penny For My Thoughts, etc.
In Exalted you can stumble on uber-combo by accident.
The more I try to make characters in Exalted, the more convinced I am that you need mastery of the system to not build uber-combos that break the game. It is like a mass of landmines that have some land mixed in.
Yeah. Our group eventually concluded that it’s easier to make a quick conversion to FATE Kerebros Club.
Not 2nd edition true neutral. If you’re Neutral Good/Evil, you don’t care about law/chaos and just try to do Good/Evil by whatever works. If you’re Lawful/Chaotic Neutral, you don’t care about good or evil but try to accomplish your goals by Lawful/Chaotic methods. If you’re Neutral Neutral, you are ultra lawfully bound to maintaining an exact balance between good and evil, with an example being that halfway through a fight against orcs you turn on your party because now evil is at a disadvantage. Because obviously the most neutral people must be the most straitjacketed and rigid and defined by alignment, and also insane.
I thought the deal with the whole Law/Chaos Good/Evil thing is that the books are refering to specific groups of supernatural creatures who embody those concepts and fight all the time, so your relation to them is kind of important to nail down.
In other words, example character is so invested in the continuation of a bloody supernatural war that they are willing to disregard even their own safety and the safety of their companions.
If they really wanted to portray neutrality as a binding alignment, they could have it so that if you’re a merchant or something you can declare neutrality and wear a certain protected symbol in the interest of free travel and not having angels demand lodging on your ship or whatever.
Nah, the connection to alignment planes and eternal war came later.
In the first edition, characters had three alignments: Lawful, Neutral, Chaotic. PCs were good by default, their enemies evil, so there was no need for defined good/evil axis: stuff like “Protection from Evil” worked against all enemies unless the DM said otherwise.
The alignments were created because they were based on Moorcock, because they could and because nobody had any idea what they were doing at the time.
Back then they served to determine which advanced class you’ll get when you level up enough times. Fighter evolved into either Paladin or Avenger, as I recall. Don’t remember the Neutral variant.
In the second edition Gygax and Co decided to expand the alignment system for the sake of elegance and to provide alignments for people who didn’t want to play pure goody heroes (evil alignments were officially forbidden from being played by PCs).
And, well, they didn’t bother to go into details about what alignments in general and each alignment in specific means, so now you have Lawful Stupid Paladins and Chaotic Neutrals who do everything they want because Chaotic! Random!
And, well, they didn’t bother to go into details about what alignments in general and each alignment in specific means
No, they totally did in one of the books, because I remember reading it and how nothing made any sense. Not explaining anything would’ve been a step up.
I meant, in the core, as far as I can recall. They expanded it later, and I think third edition did go into details.
I think it was in either Player’s Manual or DM guide. The moral was mostly “mixed parties suck”.